Red Dot sight for EDC ??

[s0nspark]

Springer Precision, Trijicon, Raven Concealment and Dueck Defense all offer dovetail mounts, IIRC.

Not all for CZs, though.

[DOC 1500]

Raining brass , after looking at your pictures and then looking at my p07 Gen 2 in the holster,
Does Red Dot sights are too far forward and won't work with my present holster which is an Alien Gear tuck 3.0.
The Red Dot sight would have to be move back  behind the CZ insignia that's on the left side of the slide don't think there's enough room to do that and still use my present holster.
If there was a Red Dot that was shorter in length maybe we can do it.

[s0nspark]

Raining brass , after looking at your pictures and then looking at my p07 Gen 2 in the holster,
Does Red Dot sights are too far forward and won't work with my present holster which is an Alien Gear tuck 3.0.
The Red Dot sight would have to be move back  behind the CZ insignia that's on the left side of the slide don't think there's enough room to do that and still use my present holster.
If there was a Red Dot that was shorter in length maybe we can do it.

Generally speaking you need a holster that has been specifically designed to accommodate a gun with an RMR.

[Raining_Brass]

Raining brass , after looking at your pictures and then looking at my p07 Gen 2 in the holster,
Does Red Dot sights are too far forward and won't work with my present holster which is an Alien Gear tuck 3.0.
The Red Dot sight would have to be move back  behind the CZ insignia that's on the left side of the slide don't think there's enough room to do that and still use my present holster.
If there was a Red Dot that was shorter in length maybe we can do it.

Generally speaking you need a holster that has been specifically designed to accommodate a gun with an RMR.

Yep. Your alien gear isn't going to work.

[Nevada 1864]

Raining Brass

Can you mount a Red Dot on a CZ P-01 or a CZ 75 D PCR handgun?  Do you have any pictures of a Red Dot mounted on a CZ P-01 or CZ PCR handgun?

[Raining_Brass]

Raining Brass

Can you mount a Red Dot on a CZ P-01 or a CZ 75 D PCR handgun?  Do you have any pictures of a Red Dot mounted on a CZ P-01 or CZ PCR handgun?

We've done quite a few P-01's. No PCR's so I wouldn't know without having the slide in hand. I'd have to dig to see if we have pics. Unfortunately we only get pics of a tiny fraction of what goes out the door. Main issue with CZ slides (except P07/09) is that they're narrow so that hinders optic selection.

[Nevada 1864]

Raining Brass

Can you mount a Red Dot on a CZ P-01 or a CZ 75 D PCR handgun?  Do you have any pictures of a Red Dot mounted on a CZ P-01 or CZ PCR handgun?

We've done quite a few P-01's. No PCR's so I wouldn't know without having the slide in hand. I'd have to dig to see if we have pics. Unfortunately we only get pics of a tiny fraction of what goes out the door. Main issue with CZ slides (except P07/09) is that they're narrow so that hinders optic selection.

OK, thank you.  I do understand the top of the slide on a CZ PCR is very narrow so that does constitute machining and Red Dot sight mounting issues.  It looks like I will have to go with the CZ P-07 to mount a Red Dot sight on.
Which Red Dot sight do you recommend, the Trijicon RMR or the Leopold Delta point?  Does the Leopold Delta Point with its optional rear sight make it easier to install since the machining the the rear sight is not needed?

[Raining_Brass]

Raining Brass

Can you mount a Red Dot on a CZ P-01 or a CZ 75 D PCR handgun?  Do you have any pictures of a Red Dot mounted on a CZ P-01 or CZ PCR handgun?

We've done quite a few P-01's. No PCR's so I wouldn't know without having the slide in hand. I'd have to dig to see if we have pics. Unfortunately we only get pics of a tiny fraction of what goes out the door. Main issue with CZ slides (except P07/09) is that they're narrow so that hinders optic selection.

OK, thank you.  I do understand the top of the slide on a CZ PCR is very narrow so that does constitute machining and Red Dot sight mounting issues.  It looks like I will have to go with the CZ P-07 to mount a Red Dot sight on.
Which Red Dot sight do you recommend, the Trijicon RMR or the Leopold Delta point?  Does the Leopold Delta Point with its optional rear sight make it easier to install since the machining the the rear sight is not needed?

After handling all these optics daily, having thousands of rounds through pretty much all of them, and hearing customer stories - RMR's are personally one of my last choices. Too many people have issues with battery contact (which Trijicon has known about forever, but rather than fix, they tell customers to put electrical tape under the battery for better contact), dual illuminated models can wash out for some - amongst other problems. I don't think they're necessarily bad choices, but I do think they are very over rated and I don't understand why people look to them as the industry standard for reflex sights. ANYWAY, if your choice is between those two - I'd choose the DP Pro without hesitation. The optional rear sight doesn't make it any easier or harder to work with over any other optic to be honest.

[Nevada 1864]

Raining_Brass

Thank you so very much for your honest and upfront opinion on the Trijicon RMR v. Leopold Delta Pro Red Dots.  I always prefer to ask for feedback of a product?s actual users rather than the product?s manufacturer?s marketing hype.

[M1A4ME]

EDC.  Defense of your life (or someone else you feel responsible for).

I choose a CZ (P07 in .40 S&W - because it's just about the most accurate pistol I've ever shot).

I choose an RMR (dual illuminated model as there are no batteries/electrical stuff to go bad).  It's always "on" day or night, rain or shine, hot or cold.

I chose a back up sighting system just in case (because back ups can be important - same reason I carry a couple extra magazines and a sharp knife).

Primary Machine did the work in my P09 (did it first as it's not my EDC and I wanted to test out the work/concept before surrendering my P07 to the same thing).  Once I shot the P09 I knew I had to get the P07 done, too.

One cool thing about the RMR (and maybe other sights of similar design - but I have no experience with other sights) is that you do not have to have the dot centered in the lens to hit the target.  Put the dot on the target and the bullet hits it.  Even if the dot is low, high, left or right in the FOV of the lens.  I've tried it.  Get the dot on the target and squeeze the trigger.

When using iron sights you have to align the front sight with the rear sight and then align the front sight with the target.  With the dot sight you only have to align the dot with the target.

I'm sold on it (after years of not seeing the utility of it.  I've got a Delta Point Pro sitting near my chair right now.  Just not sure what to put it on.  The wife's satin nickel CZ 75 Compact is too pretty to cut on.  The P01 doesn't have the accuracy of the P07 or P09 (not in my experience so far).  My Pre B CZ 85 probably does have the accuracy to suit me but the darn thing is (again) too pretty to cut on.  Might have to buy me another P07 (9MM this time).

Good luck with yours.  Get it done right and its well worth it. 

Oh, forgot the picture.  The moisture is sweat.  I sweat a lot on a hot muggy day.  The P07 goes everywhere with me.  From shopping to traveling to working on the yard or on my cars.

[Raining_Brass]

Raining_Brass

Thank you so very much for your honest and upfront opinion on the Trijicon RMR v. Leopold Delta Pro Red Dots.  I always prefer to ask for feedback of a product?s actual users rather than the product?s manufacturer?s marketing hype.

No problem!

[DOC 1500]

Look at the sweat that's disgusting

[Nevada 1864]

EDC.  Defense of your life (or someone else you feel responsible for).

... The moisture is sweat.  I sweat a lot on a hot muggy day. 

Holy cow!  Where do you live at (state)?  I am sure glad I live in Nevada with humidity is not an issue! 

[DOC 1500]

A pistol must be right up against your skin

[M1A4ME]

Actually it's carried in an Air Marshall 3 holster (cotton, but heavy duty cotton) on the outside of a cotton t-shirt.  I just sweat a lot.  In some summer months the heat index (effect of humidity on the temperature) can be upwards of 105 F.  You just can't dry out.  A breeze, if there is one, is like standing in front of an open oven.  You sweat and it just runs downwards and drips off if you lean over.

First summer with the RMR on it and using the AM3, but it's doing fine.