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Offline nksmfamjp

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2016, 07:47:38 AM »
Removing the 1/2 cock is classic bubbasmithing. Why?

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2016, 10:41:02 AM »
 Sounds like your friend tried changing the hammer hooks and/or sear angles. Many have tried, and many have failed[emoji6]
   I have faith that CGW will get you back up and running. May cost you a new hammer and/or sear, but that's a small price for safety.
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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2016, 12:06:56 PM »
Sounds like your friend tried changing the hammer hooks and/or sear angles. Many have tried, and many have failed[emoji6]
   I have faith that CGW will get you back up and running. May cost you a new hammer and/or sear, but that's a small price for safety.
He already bought a pro package. Worst case scenario, he needs a new sear.

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2016, 12:11:55 PM »
Thank you guys  for all the reply, and I am sorry about no response coz I was in oversea training.
I asked my friend what he has done, he explained but I  had no clue about polishing parts.
right now the SP01 can not be half cocked, when I pull the hammer to half cock position, it bounce back to the original uncocked position.
the trigger pull is better than before, but I am not sure what would  happen after 1k or 2k  rounds.
I know he didn't replace any part, and he just polished the parts to make the trigger pull around 3 lbs for SA, but DA is the same as original.
Initially, he made it less  than 2 lbs, then changed to 3 lbs.  In addition,  he also told me he adjust the firing pin and firing pin block  thing, but I don't understand the terminology term.
He has done a lot of  gunsmithing work on AR15 and handguns, but I am only disappointed that I told him I want CaJun parts, but he didn't do what I told him.
Anyways, I will call Cajun shop after holiday to see if they can still work on my gun and how much will cost eventually.
    That's nice of your friend, but just polishing wouldn't get those results. Additionally the CGW kits will make your Double Action better, where his work has not.
    I did a post where I tested the impact of polishing and upgrading parts. I tested trigger pull after each step. You can read the summary or whole post, but the take away is that polishing did not have a major impact of trigger pull weight.. Makes the trigger feel awesome! But your friend did more than polishing to get those results. Almost certainly modifications to the hammer and possibly the sear.
     Definitely call CGW and see what they'd recommend. We're lucky to have some incredible custom shops supporting our community. CGW will take care of you.

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http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=83591.0

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Offline Joe L

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2016, 12:56:00 PM »
dummykid--

This is against my normal instincts, but I would suggest you go shoot the gun, as is, before deciding what else to do.  But I would do it like this.  At the range, with everything safe, and the range hot, load a single round in the magazine, aim the gun downrange, chamber the round, and fire.  If the slide locks back and fired OK, drop the magazine, load two rounds in the magazine, and fire them, one at a time.  If the gun functions normally, try 3 rounds, then 4.  What you don't want to do is load 10 rounds initially without knowing for sure that the gun won't go full auto.  You need to see for yourself that the hammer remains cocked between shots. 

Here is the reason for the caution.  I have not been able to modify a factory CZ hammer without getting hammer follow and making the gun unsafe.  I've done many 1911s and a few Sigs, so I thought I could fix up the CZ as well.  I didn't know that the CZ geometry is different and isn't amenable to the usual modifications like shorting the hammer hooks and reducing the engagement on the sear.  It is too easy to create an unsafe gun, so one has to assume the gun is NOT safe until proven otherwise, after changing parts. 

Your gunsmith may know how sensitive the CZ's are to hammer and sear modifications.  If so, maybe your pistol is OK.  But, if he just assumed he could do the work without test firing and safety checking the gun in live fire, you need to confirm for yourself that he didn't mess it up, regardless of how good his intentions were. 

The only sear/hammer tool that always works with the CZ pistols is a credit card.    Even with the CGW parts, I load two rounds, then 3, etc. first time I shoot it.  Never had any problem with the CGW parts, always had problems with modified factory parts.  I'm not even a good amateur (CZ pistol) gunsmith, LOL.  I'm not saying modifications simply can't be done, I am saying it takes a lot of experience to get it right.   

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2016, 02:57:10 PM »
Oh ya, thanks Painter. Forgot he already has the hammer[emoji6]
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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2016, 08:33:41 PM »
I called Cajun today, and I was told that they could only accept my order at the mid of December ( yes, they are super busy), and normal wait time  was around 10 weeks.  Anyways, I am fine with the waiting period, so I have sent them an email and wish they could reply me soon regarding the shipping.

I have test the gun around 300 rounds, and there are 3 rounds fail to fire during the rapid fire, no marks no primer.

thank you for all the help from you  guys

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2016, 01:33:11 AM »
You could just order a new factory sear, CGW hammer and install them yourself. It's not hard, but do take your time and make sure everything is installed correctly.

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2016, 01:16:46 PM »
Here is the story, I asked my gun smithing friend to install the cgw pro kit onto my sp01, but he didn't do it. Instead, he just took apart my sp01 and polished the gun parts, right now the trigger pull is less than 3 lb and he told me I didn't need the cgw kit. 

I was a little bit pissed off for not using CGW kit and make my trigger less than 3 lb without telling me before he started,  so I am wondering if the gun can still install the CGW pro kit if I send my gun to CGW shop? I don't  know what parts he polished and modified because he didn't want to tell me, the only thing I know is he didn't put any new parts in.


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You state you have the PRO KIT....In my opinion there is enough information out there on YouTube and the Forums and on the CGW web site to help you do the installation yourself. It may take many times observing and rereading posts, but I feel confident that anyone can master the installation with plenty of cussing and hair pulling (I started out almost bald anyway) and probably 2 days to get it done. So, try it yourself if you don't want to wait!

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Re: Question about CGW work
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2016, 03:03:11 PM »
I'm sorry you have a bad taste in your mouth from a supposed buddy. It's a shame when people say one thing but do another. For a person who calls themselves an armorer or gunsmith, the first and only thing on the plate is responsibility. After that you've got skill, and then so and and so forth. This person is not an armorer. You friend needs to list the exact things he did to your pistol so you know what to tell CGW, otherwise they're going to have to take bit more time to diagnose the action and what surfaces have been modified to achieve that pull weight without actually changing out parts. For sure the mainspring weight was changed, but if it's just a few coils cut off of it, the pro kit has a replacement. If the hammer contact sear surfaces were modified, the new hammer should be able to handle that change, and of course the replacement disco if in fact the action was de-moralized in a way I think may have been done.  In any case, the pro kit parts should be able to fix anything he did to the moving engagement surfaces. If I were you, I would have the pro kit installed by a reputable armorer in your area and test form and function afterwards. It may be just the exact fix. And of course that's what you ordered for your sp01 anyway. Your buddy will be the one that should pay for that install.


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