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Offline Oldwolf

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Educate me please.
« on: October 31, 2016, 09:32:43 AM »
I am considering a 75110 Pro-Package kit for my CZ 75.
However, I would like to keep the OEM hammer spring and firing pin. My understanding is that by doing this this I will increase reliability of successful primer strikes.
What parts do I need?

It would be very handy if there were a table that showed what the more common incremental steps were, and the parts needed to achieve each step, of the levels of customization of the 75.

An example might be this.
For my stainless CZ 75, say I only want a race hammer and short reset trigger. What parts do I need?

Thanks, and I am ready to be educated.
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Offline SlvrDragon50

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Re: Educate me please.
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2016, 11:48:41 AM »
You can drop to a weaker hammer spring and extended firing pin and still maintain 100% reliability. You don't have to keep the OEM hammer spring.

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2016, 12:08:47 PM »
Or, if you want the OEM hammer spring, CGW can make you a modified FP. Basically it's the extended FP cut back down to OEM length.
   To get the full benefits of the short reset (part of the pro package) you want to get the FP. I believe it's cut a little different to work in conjunction with the CGW FP block lifter.
   Give them a call and double check. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2016, 12:29:28 PM »
To get the full benefits of the short reset (part of the pro package) you want to get the FP. I believe it's cut a little different to work in conjunction with the CGW FP block lifter.

Okay, that is a good bit of information to know.
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Offline Scarlett Pistol

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2016, 06:57:51 PM »
With the extended firing pin I think CGW says the 13lb hammer spring will ignite any primer 100%.  Here's my SAO 75 Compact with the short reset system, extended firing pin, 15lb hammer spring, competition hammer and lots of polishing. It never has ignition problems (I've only ran into issues when I was reloading and a part fell out of spec and primers weren't seating all the way.) I've even run 13lb hammer springs with a lighter trigger pull with no problems.

Oh and as for a list I'll have a thread in a few days sort of like that, showing what each part does while I upgrade and test my new SP-01 Compact.

Knowing you won't suffer reliability issues, do you still any help with parts combinations?
« Last Edit: October 31, 2016, 07:06:30 PM by Scarlett Pistol »
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Re: Educate me please.
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2016, 04:36:25 PM »
I have the p-01 with CGW Defensive Package Decocker installed and have light primer strikes on most Eastern Block ammo (Russian stuff like Bear, Tula ammo).  So I wouldn't say it's 100% reliable.  This may make me change back to stock.  I also noticed that with the extended firing pin, it protrudes enough to poke out of the breach face even with the firing pin block in place ("safe" position) which gives me safety concerns.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2016, 08:25:43 AM by steppingcrane »

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2016, 04:39:57 PM »
I have the p-01 with CGW Defensive Package Decocker installed and have light primer strikes on most Eastern Block ammo (Russian stuff like Bear, Tula ammo).  So I wouldn't say it's 100% reliable.  This may make me change back to stock.  I also noticed that with the extended firing pin, it protrudes enough to poke out of the breach face even with the firing pin block in place which gives me safety concerns.

Very interesting.
I will wait for CGW to tell us if this is normal, or not.
Thanks for posting this.
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Offline schmeky

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Re: Educate me please.
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2016, 08:08:06 PM »
steppingcrane,

You describe 2 inter-related conditions that point to your particular CZ's firing pin block/plunger system being out of time.  Incorrect lifter/plunger timing will cause light strikes.

Additionally, damage to the plunger and firing pin shoulder will allow the firing pin to protrude past the breech face.  Your CZ needs to be repaired and both issues would be alleviated.

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2016, 11:18:55 AM »
steppingcrane,

You describe 2 inter-related conditions that point to your particular CZ's firing pin block/plunger system being out of time.  Incorrect lifter/plunger timing will cause light strikes.

Additionally, damage to the plunger and firing pin shoulder will allow the firing pin to protrude past the breech face.  Your CZ needs to be repaired and both issues would be alleviated.

Thanks for the reply, I'll have this checked.  The pistol is new with defensive package installed before firing.  No damage was done during install, and this was observed before firing.  Just thought the extra length of the firing pin caused it to slightly protrude past the breach face about 1mm when pushed (the plunger stops it going further).  When depressing the plunger, the firing pin moves further freely as would during firing.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2016, 04:21:28 PM »
It is impossible for our firing pins to protrude .040"/1 mm past the breech face if the firing pin block is operating properly.  Besides, you are having light strikes, a classic symptom of an out of time FP block system.

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2016, 06:18:09 PM »
What would be causing the firing pin block timing delays?  Is the gun possibly out of spec? With the the firing pin protrusion, this is when I take a punch or something and push it as far as it can while the plunger is in it's normal position (safe position - *edit), that's when it protrudes a little bit past then stops.  I visually inspected the plunger and extended firing pin and there is no damage. The firing pin holding spring pin is in place with it's open end in the 12 o'clock position. This is a new CZ P-01 with 300 rounds through it.  Is it possible that Tula/Brown Bear primers can still give this setup light primer strikes due to a harder primer? 
« Last Edit: November 06, 2016, 08:26:54 AM by steppingcrane »

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2016, 10:04:45 AM »
As I understand your issue, you indicate the FP can be pushed .040" through the breech face with the safety plunger in the "safe" position.  If so, something is wrong. 

I cannot answer the other questions w/o examining your CZ.  I suggest you send us an e-mail or call so we can get this resolved quickly and most importantly, safely.

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2016, 10:58:57 AM »
Email sent, thanks.  After taking a closer measure, actual measurement of the firing pin protruding out is about half that, or .020".  Sounds like there should be no protrusion, so even that's not normal.  It would be my luck to get a slightly out of spec gun or something.

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2016, 02:18:42 PM »
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It would be my luck to get a slightly out of spec gun or something

Mass produced firearms can be like that.  That's why we support the CZ platform and back our parts, so rest assured we'll get it working as it should. 

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Re: Educate me please.
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2016, 03:50:30 PM »
Steppingcrane, How are you defining "the plunger is in it's normal position"?

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