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Offline Scarlett Pistol

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2016, 07:38:54 PM »
Updated step 7 with a step 7.5 to put in the results from putting in the 11.5 lb hammer spring. Ugh, I hope this works. The Double Action is so good it is stupid!

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2016, 07:57:52 PM »
Wow! 5.9lb double action - I hope it ignites all primers. If it does I may install one on mine - already have the spring. That single action is a little light for carry though.
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2016, 09:35:14 PM »
Wow! 5.9lb double action - I hope it ignites all primers. If it does I may install one on mine - already have the spring. That single action is a little light for carry though.
  Yeah, the Double action has probably ruined me.... Seriously ruined me!
   One of my first CZ's was a Tactical Sport. Put a Competition hammer in it and that thing was the next level of Single Action. Got used to it pretty quick and I've never had a problem with accidental discharges, unplanned double taps, etc. on ultra light triggers. It put me at a different level of trigger awareness. Probably helped that I was still really new to pistols, so I didn't have a life time of heavy and long triggers built into subconscious learning. Just me though, so I would never hold it against someone for not going that light.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2016, 10:11:46 PM »
One thing to remember is no 2 pistols will respond to the same upgrades in the same way.   Many times the differences can be rather dramatic.
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I put in the 11.5 lb hammer spring in. The Double Action is 5 lbs 9 ounces and the Single Action is 2 lbs. I know the Tactical Sport pistols have a single action that's less than 2 lbs and they're reliable... Is all that due to the different trigger bar? Are these trigger pull weights too dramatically low now? Or can I still proceed in testing and have it be worthwhile? Thanks again for all you're help!!
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2016, 09:00:56 AM »
Scarlett Pistol,

On your question about the TS trigger bar, no.  It won't fit your standard 75 series CZ anyway.  The trigger has no bearing on the trigger pull weights and outcomes, it's simply a lock work link.  TS is it's own unique model, designed to produce a light trigger pull using the standard CZ 20# hammer spring.

Oldwolf,

I am asked all the time, "what upgrades should I do to my CZ".  My standard reply is if you have to ask, you don't need to buy anything until you know what's right for you.  The best approach in this scenario is start simple and easy, then go your own direction. 
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2016, 12:00:33 AM »
SCARLET! Your write-up sold a pistol. That, Sir, is impressive.

I ran down the rabbit hole guys! This is where I ended up. 

Backstory:  Nov. 6th I took home my first firearm (SP-01 Tact.) and ran 550 rounds through it. I started to get curious and found the forum. About midway through this thread I ordered the "Compact SP-01," Nov. 10th.  Lol four days... only four days. So... I've spent the last week trying my darndest to wrap my head around all the newness.

Advise?  upgrade the full size w/decocker or compact with safety?  And, is 6#ish DA/3#ish SA necessary for learning the fundamentals of comp shooting. That's the end game plan: casual competition.

I figure, the sensible thing seams that I lighten the fire mechanics on the full size, keep the compact stock.

Ultimately I will make my own decisions and don't hold others accountable for choices I make.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2016, 12:59:04 AM »
SCARLET! Your write-up sold a pistol. That, Sir, is impressive.

I ran down the rabbit hole guys! This is where I ended up. 

Backstory:  Nov. 6th I took home my first firearm (SP-01 Tact.) and ran 550 rounds through it. I started to get curious and found the forum. About midway through this thread I ordered the "Compact SP-01," Nov. 10th.  Lol four days... only four days. So... I've spent the last week trying my darndest to wrap my head around all the newness.

Advise?  upgrade the full size w/decocker or compact with safety?  And, is 6#ish DA/3#ish SA necessary for learning the fundamentals of comp shooting. That's the end game plan: casual competition.

I figure, the sensible thing seams that I lighten the fire mechanics on the full size, keep the compact stock.

Ultimately I will make my own decisions and don't hold others accountable for choices I make.

Thanks.
    Haha I'm glad this has been helpful! I polish all my pistols, even if nothing else is upgraded. Makes it really smooth and its cheap to free.
    I was rather unorthodox in my learning. Tried totally self taught with YouTube videos for a while and it was a total train wreck. Signed up for a day training course before I quite pistols and it helped a lot. At that point I wanted a single action pistol instead of striker fired. I'd felt a 1911 trigger and there was no going back. But I wanted double stack... So Google searching eventually led me to CZ's and what did I do? I bought a Tactical Sport and threw a competition hammer in it. Holy smokes did I get my dream trigger! I dry fired a bunch and got live fire in a fair amount. It taught me exceptional trigger awareness. Ultimately the TS and I parted ways, just wasn't practical for me at the time. But that's why I don't mind these light triggers, I have the subconscious learning built in and I continue to dry fire to make sure I don't lose that or become lazy. So, whatever you decide, you can make it work. An upgrade I didn't mention is grip tape on the front and back strap. Makes life much better.
    For learning fundamentals... I'd say go to a local USPSA match to watch and learn. Make friends, and see if anyone there teaches a class. Getting started with some direction to make sure you're on the right path is invaluable. Don't waste time like I did.
    As for upgrades, You've read my opinions from testing thus far (competition or race hammer all day, every day, every time). See what you want to do after some rounds through each and feel free to ask questions -  about upgrades and the learning process. There isn't a better forum out there for getting help, everyone here has always pitched in and helped me a ton!

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2016, 01:06:29 AM »


  And, is 6#ish DA/3#ish SA necessary for learning the fundamentals of comp shooting. That's the end game plan: casual competition.

This guy is up in your state. I don't know what he is doing, but from what I can gather it's like his second year shooting USPSA and he blew it up. Placed at nationals! Anyways, whatever he figured out in his training it seems like he broke it down with Tim Ferris precision and advanced very effectively. If he would do a class on a weekend I would imagine it would be very worthwhile in getting a solid foundation of fundamentals.

https://youtu.be/s1N2xiQ7V3Q

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2016, 11:40:28 AM »
He has a super detailed analysis of his videos over on Brian Enos. Very meticulous in his write ups.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2016, 01:09:25 PM »
He has a super detailed analysis of his videos over on Brian Enos. Very meticulous in his write ups.
Really? That's a great find! I have the search function over there... Would you mind sharing a link to spare me the effort?

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2016, 02:08:42 PM »
He has a super detailed analysis of his videos over on Brian Enos. Very meticulous in his write ups.
Really? That's a great find! I have the search function over there... Would you mind sharing a link to spare me the effort?

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Yup, I assumed that was how you found him. He was definitely pretty talented starting as a C class shooter and B class a month later. I think he also had the luxury of having a very good range to practice at with big bays.

http://forums.brianenos.com/index.php?/topic/208466-chic-hwansik-kim/

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2016, 11:21:13 PM »
He has a super detailed analysis of his videos over on Brian Enos. Very meticulous in his write ups.
Really? That's a great find! I have the search function over there... Would you mind sharing a link to spare me the effort?

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Yup, I assumed that was how you found him. He was definitely pretty talented starting as a C class shooter and B class a month later. I think he also had the luxury of having a very good range to practice at with big bays.

http://forums.brianenos.com/index.php?/topic/208466-chic-hwansik-kim/

Thank you. So much info. packed into that trail. After three hours of reading and videos, I will listen to your suggestion Scarlett:  I have decided to save the link for later and have scheduled one-on-ones with a friend who is in the sport.

Sorry to sidebar from the Subject.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #57 on: November 20, 2016, 12:46:06 AM »
He has a super detailed analysis of his videos over on Brian Enos. Very meticulous in his write ups.
Really? That's a great find! I have the search function over there... Would you mind sharing a link to spare me the effort?

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Yup, I assumed that was how you found him. He was definitely pretty talented starting as a C class shooter and B class a month later. I think he also had the luxury of having a very good range to practice at with big bays.

http://forums.brianenos.com/index.php?/topic/208466-chic-hwansik-kim/

Thank you. So much info. packed into that trail. After three hours of reading and videos, I will listen to your suggestion Scarlett:  I have decided to save the link for later and have scheduled one-on-ones with a friend who is in the sport.

Sorry to sidebar from the Subject.
No worries, glad this was all helpful for you! Let us know how the practice and training goes
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2017, 08:03:08 AM »
Amazing thread and information. If this isn't a sticky it should be. I will be coming back to this thread later that is for sure. Thank you for the time and effort.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #59 on: January 06, 2017, 10:34:51 AM »
Amazing thread and information. If this isn't a sticky it should be. I will be coming back to this thread later that is for sure. Thank you for the time and effort.
Glad it was helpful!

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