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Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« on: November 03, 2016, 01:12:33 AM »
***** WARNING: I did this as a helpful test. Any mods you make are yours and I hold no responsibility for your actions, especially since you are not under my personal supervision. Just making sure it's clear that while I am trying to be helpful no one does something stupid and blames it on me because they read my post. Pictures of polished parts still coming. Don't have Photoshop anymore and I've been looking for another option. I just need to lighten them up a little since I don't have a photo studio with great lighting. Trying GIMP and should have those posted soon.

The Project:
    Since I made an unplanned CZ purchase to get one of these SP-01 Compacts I figured I would take this chance to document the impact that each upgrade had on the trigger pull. Hopefully this helps others chose what they want to upgrade, and not feel like one has to spend $350 in upgrade components to have a decent CZ Pistol.  I apologize upfront because I do not have the budget some others may have, so I am not able to test every single part available (I wish I could have though). 
   The constraints of this test are that the pistol is a manual safety classic trigger system, so this test does not apply to decocker models or the new Omega triggers.

The Parts & Upgrades:
    Here?s the list of parts I ordered, as well as the polishing work I will be doing. All parts were ordered from Cajun Gun Works. This isn?t because I favor them over CZ Custom, they just had everything so I could save in shipping. I was NOT given any parts or discounts. Matter of fact, I had to sell a pistol to help fund this new pistol and these parts. So, no? Sadly I am not receiving any benefit from any shop or company for doing this project. Side note, I list the grips, but they are not part of the test. I love the thin aluminum grips ? so there went more of my budget - just don?t think they is a necessary cost for achieving a great CZ.
   I?ll be clear in stating that I am in no way at the level of Schmeky (David at Cajun Gun Works) or some of the others on this forum. So, I am not going to try and recreate the wheel by re-writing a ?How to?. I followed the tutorials in the pinned threads of the gun smithing sub-forum and if anyone wants to do what I have done that is where to go for specific directions.

14RSC 14# Compact Recoil Spring ? 1   $6.00
TR-PIN Floating Trigger Pin ? 1   $13.00
20C Hammer Spring Strut Compact ? 1   $10.00
10035 Production Legal Competition Hammer ? 1   $69.00
HPIN Hammer Pin ? 1   $2.50
RP-TRS Reduced Power Trigger Return Spring ? 1   $7.00
54420 Ultra-Lite Kit ? 1   $44.00
10317 Thin Aluminum Grips Compact Copper ? 1   $85.00
Polish the:
    Stock Trigger
    Trigger Bar
    Sear
    Sear Cage
    Firing Pin Block Lifter Arm
    Stock Hammer
    Competition Hammer
    Hammer Strut
    Hammer Retaining Pin
    Disconnector

Comparison Pistols:
    I have a CZ 75 Compact (classic version) converted to SAO and an SP-01. They were planned children and thereby received more funding. I test their trigger pulls with my new trigger pull gauge as a sort of base line measure. They have the advantage of dry and live fire, but they also have some parts I couldn?t afford this time around. As I progress through the test I will point out differences along the way. I am also going to run into surprises and I hope this spurs open dialogue and discussion from forum long-timers, shop owners, gunsmiths, and everyone else regarding causation and any other thoughts. Now that the introduction and explanation is out of the way here we go.

Results: Spoiler Alert!
    I am the kind of person who enjoys, even needs, the technical details. Therefore, I wrote about this project with some detail. I blame any overly ?thoroughness? on the guys over in the reloading sub-forum, they keep me humble when I leave out any detail? Just messing, sort of? All the same, for those who just want to see the results I am putting them here. If you want to read the details of the steps, questions I now have, and some conclusions, then please read further. It is up to you how much you read.

Step 1: Baseline Trigger Pulls:
Double ActionSingle Action
CZ 75 Compact Classic SAO 2 lbs 5 ounces
SP-01 6 lbs 9 ounces2 lbs 8 ounces
SP-01 Compact 9 lbs 4.3 ounces4 lbs 10 ounces

Remaining Step By Step Testing Outcomes:
Double Action Single Action
Step 2: Polish Trigger and Trigger Bar 9 lbs 7.8 ounces 4 lbs 12 ounces
Step 3: CGW Reduced Power Trigger Return Spring 9 lbs 4 ounces 4 lbs 4 ounces
Step 4: CW Ultra-Lite Self Defense Kit 7 lbs 11 ounces 3 lbs 8 ounces
Step 5: Polishing Remaining Stock Parts 7 lbs 13 ounces 4 lbs 0.5 ounces
Step 6: The Polished Competition Hammer 7 lbs 11 ounces 2 lbs 11 ounces
Step 7: Removing Firing Pin Block, FPB Lifter Arm, and associated springs  7 lbs 11 ounces 2 lbs 7 ounces
Step 7.5: Cajun Gun Works 11.5 lb Hammer Spring  5 lbs 9 ounces 2 lbs 0.4 ounces

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2016, 01:14:06 AM »
Step 1: Baseline Trigger pulls
   I used a Lyman digital trigger pull gauge that was brand new. I read instructions and practiced over and over to make sure I wasn?t cheating to get artificially low results (by manipulating angles to unrealistic extremes) or by pulling from unrealistic spots on the trigger and getting too high of results. I wanted to preface that, so when surprising things happen people don?t immediately think I just pulled out a new trigger pull gauge and pulled away like a mindless ding dong.

Step 1: Baseline Trigger Pulls:
Double ActionSingle Action
CZ 75 Compact Classic SAO 2 lbs 5 ounces
SP-01 6 lbs 9 ounces2 lbs 8 ounces
SP-01 Compact 9 lbs 4.3 ounces4 lbs 10 ounces

CZ 75 Compact Classic SAO

SP-01 Double Action

SP-01 Single Action

SP-01 Compact Double Action

SP-01 Single Action
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2016, 01:16:11 AM »
Step 2: Polish Trigger and Trigger Bar
    Schmeky, SP-01 Shadow, and others get all of their trigger bars to more of a mirror polish and remove all the black coating. I get worried about removing too much material after having read comments from Schmecky and Stuart, so I smooth and get contact points to a mirror finish, but you can still see some black coating on low spots. I did use stones on the sides of the trigger bar, and I hadn?t done so in the past. Long of the short, thanks to following the great tutorials there is basically zero friction from my trigger bar contacting the frame. It got so smooth it was difficult to hold while polishing.
    As I started working on the trigger I decided to remove the black coating and give it a brushed stainless look. That was not for performance, just me wasting time on cosmetics. The contact points were polished smooth. I have never kept a stock trigger, so while I was at it I smoothed edges and corners where my trigger finger will be in contact. I?m hoping to avoid the supposed trigger bite. I?ll see if this worked when I get it to the range..
Trigger bar pictures coming soon **
Trigger pictures coming soon**
Step 2 Reults:
Double Action: 9 lbs 7.8 ounces
Single Action: 4 lbs 12 ounces
    I?ll be honest, I didn?t expect these results. I pulled the trigger over and over with the gauge. I had re-applied the same lube I had used when I cleaned and re-lubed the pistol after I brought it home. Furthermore, the trigger pull on double action felt better. I was sure it would have dropped the pull weight at least a little.  As with all sections, I am ready to hear thoughts and feedback. While this polishing is essential, maybe just these two parts alone won?t make any difference in the pull weight, just feel?


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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2016, 01:17:18 AM »
Step 3: Cajun Gun Works Reduced Power Trigger Return Spring
    CGW advertises this will drop pull weight by about 0.5 lbs. After my bizarre results of a slightly heavier trigger pull from step 2, I was ready for anything.
Step 3 Results:
Double Action: 9 lbs 4 ounces
Single Action: 4 lbs 4 ounces
    There we go, results as advertised. For the cost, this is a great upgrade and I have it in both my other pistols. Easy way to knock of ? lb on your trigger pull.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2016, 01:18:22 AM »
Step 4: Cajun Gun Works Ultra-Lite Self Defense Kit
    This kit contains a lighter FPB plunger spring, lighter firing pin spring, extended firing pin, CGW?s firing pin retaining pin and the 13 lb hammer spring. I?ve used these parts in my other pistols and really liked the results. I tossed them in before any more polishing because CGW?s site says this kit with the 13 lb hammer spring will cut the DA by 50%. I?ll be honest, I was ready for more impressive results.
Step 4 Results:
Double Action: 7 lbs 11 ounces
Single Action: 3 lbs 8 ounces
    Reducing the DA by 50% would have put my trigger pull somewhere in the range of 4 lbs 10 ounces. (16 ounces to 1 lb if you are doing math in your head, not like normal decimal places with 10 to 1 ratios). Honestly, I was looking for something closer to mid 6 lbs range. I have heard the stories of stock CZ 75?s with DA trigger pulls in the 12 lb range and this kit probably helps those pistols far more than one starting out around 9 lbs. That being said, I was somewhat disappointed because my SP-01 has the trigger pull that I was hoping for, down around 6lbs. Don?t get ahead of yourselves though. I have more steps and I later discover that my sear had a pretty pronounced burr where it contacts the trigger hooks. Maybe that additional drag made it worse? Either way, David and Scott have provided the most incredible customer service I?ve had and this is in no way bagging their product. This is a sample size of 1 and more importantly, had I called them they would have done anything to walk me through troubleshooting and solutions. I wanted to be scientific and see the process through before I reached out to them. Besides, I was at an acceptable DA considering the step in my process. It was around half of those really bad DA triggers I hear of, so I pressed forward.


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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2016, 01:19:37 AM »
Step 5: Polishing Remaining Stock Parts
    Realistically I polished everything else at this point, just to be economical in my process. You?ll see that in the pictures of the parts, so just realize that I can not install both hammers at the same time, and only the stock parts went into the pistol. The installed polished parts are as follows: sear, sear cage, sear cage pin, FPB lifter arm, stock hammer, hammer strut, hammer retaining pin, and disconnector.
   The major part that I have in my other two pistols that I did not order for this series of upgrades was a disconnector. I was beginning to suspect that the lack of this part played a major role in not achieving the Double Action results I was hoping for.
   Furthermore, my single action trigger break was sort of like dragging a metal rake across gravel. This was not what I had experienced with my other pistols when they were stock. When I got to the the sear I ran my thumbnail across the face that contacts the hammer hooks to see if there were machining marks or something unusual. On the bottom edge of that contact face my thumbnail caught and stuck in place. There was a pronounced burr, like a rolled knife blade edge. I checked the hammer hooks and they definitely rough with machine marks, only making that burr seem worse.
    Now let me make a preface. Removing material can remove the hardened surface of the part. I did work the sear on my stones to ever so carefully remove the burr but not take material from any other part of that contact face or change the angle of that contact face. All the same, I know that this could cause my part to wear faster and I will have to check it and make sure it is not of the verge of failure as the pistol is used. Now I hear this still takes thousands and thousands of rounds, but I wanted to make sure I addressed that I am aware of this implication while alerting readers who may not know. I also used 1500 grit sandpaper to try and smooth the hammer hook faces. I was going to replace the stock hammer, so I figured I would try to ever so gently do some smoothing and polishing, but I didn?t get carried away to perfection. 
     Here are pictures of the tools I used and all the parts after polishing. Like the trigger bar, I am cautious to remove material so the black coating remains in spots. Any contact points were polished, even if the coating is still showing.
    When it comes to the Dremel I find that making passes with my felt wheel on the 2 or 3 power settings allows the Fritz to stay in place and work well. It gets the initial polish underway, and I can use a little more pressure to get things happening and then back the pressure off. Then once I am satisfied I crank the Dremel up to the max power setting. I put my hand around the felt wheel (not touching it) for a few seconds, so Fritz doesn?t get all of the room. I ever so gently pass over the spots I want to mirror polish. Usually these spots have some Fritz on them, which is good because the dremel wheel flings a lot its Fritz off. This is my process after testing speeds and combinations of speeds for polishing. If you take this approach just be super soft and gentle on that high speed, you don?t want to remove material with aggressive pressure. Realize that the extreme rpm?s do the polishing at this point, not requiring brute force.
     For getting small flat spots I have found that I like to remove most (close to all) of the cotton from a Q-tip, snap it in half, and put it into my dremel. Put some Flitz on the Q-tip and the part to polish (just a little, it doesn?t take tons). Then use the flat end to polish the spot. It also works for getting into small holes and areas that my felt wheel doesn?t get into very well or at all. You can see a used one in the pictures that I used in some holes and it actually wore down the flat end to more of a point (allowing me to get into smaller hoes). If you do this be careful, if you make it have too long of a shaft it may snap and go flying? into your eye! I only have about an inch sticking out of the Dremmel. Also, you can use it on its side, but anything but slight pressure can cause it to snap. Just wear safety glasses! This Q-tip trick pays off, especially on the small flat faces on the back of the trigger bar. These are my processes that I haven?t seen in tutorials, or that I wanted to clarify for the sake of the project. Let's move on to the pictures and results.
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Step 5 Results:
Double Action: 7 lbs 13 ounces
Single Action: 4 lbs 0.5 ounces
    I was confused and a little angry at these results. Why would this pull weight basically be the same as the previous step? Higher for the single action! It didn?t even feel like the same pistol at this point, these had made such a marked difference! The Double Action pull was so much smoother and the Single Action break was much better. Albeit, still rough because there was only so much I could do to the hammer hooks of the stock hammer. Still, I was sure getting rid of the burr on the sear would at least reduce the pull weight a little. As my list of remaining parts was slowly dwindling I immediately took everything apart to put in the Competition Hammer. I needed to see if it would be the game changer.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2016, 01:20:53 AM »
Step 6: The Polished Competition Hammer
    All of my polishing explanations are above, and I had already done the Competition Hammer, as seen in the pictures. No further breath needs be wasted, let's get this bad boy installed and tested.
Step 6 Results:
Double Action: 7 lbs 11 ounces
Single Action: 2 lbs 11 ounces
    Suddenly I recognized the trigger break I love in my other two CZ pistols. ?Zealot for Comp and Race Hammers? status solidified! Smoother, crisper break, no real camming, overall just what I was looking for in the trigger in Single Action.
    The Double Action remained almost unchanged and this seems to confirm another theory I had posited in my mind.?The CGW Disconnector?. The disconnector from CGW in my SP-01 seemed to be impacting the smoothness and the weight by about 1 lb. This is a little bit of let down, I had hoped that some diligent polishing on my stock disconnector would have gotten me the same Double Action pull weight and feel. I was thinking that the CGW disconnectors played more of a role for reach reduction and Single Action reset, but it seems like I was wrong, they do more. I could test modifying the DA contact face on the stock disconnector ever so slightly, but this is not the project for a test like that. Let?s be honest, if you?re reading to this point you probably don?t need an entire side test inserted here...
Disconnector Update:
I took the CGW disconnector out of my full size SP-01 and put it in my SP-01 Compact. There was no noticeable difference in trigger pull weight. Is the geometry different on the P-01 frame than the classic Compact or SP-01? Do I need to polish the inside of the frame? Not totally sure at this point... Happy to hear explanations or thoughts!

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2016, 01:22:07 AM »
Step 7: Remove FPB & Associated Parts
    Ultimately I want this SP-01 Compact to be as close to my full size SP-01 as possible. To do so I removed the FPB, FPB lifter arm, and coinciding springs. I then replaced the lifter arm with a spacer I had laying around in my spare parts from CGW.
    At this point I need to make a confession, I didn?t polish the Firing Pin Block. Why? Well, I had the intentions of removing it and didn?t feel like spending more time polishing parts I was going to remove. I know, this isn?t very scientific of me. But, remember the bizarre results I kept getting? I polished parts and the trigger feels better, but the pull weight doesn?t decrease (often slightly increasing). It could be argued that any weight reduction in the trigger pull from removing these parts is solely due to their removal, and the lack of polishing played no role in pull weight to start with. I would have argued against that statement until I saw my own results. Even now it just doesn?t feel intuitive. I am not arguing that polishing is not effective! Holy smokes, my trigger feels so much better from the polishing, it is essential! I am simply saying that polishing consistently did not reduce trigger pull weights.
   Now that the confession is out of the way. This was an easy modification and here?s the results.
Step 7 Results:
Double Action: 7 lbs 11 ounces
Single Action: 2 lbs 7 ounces
    This didn?t reduce the weight too much. It does create a great trigger reset! There?s some little things I can do to fine tune my reset, but it is excellent as is. At this point I think I have given slightly more love and care to the smoothness of this Single Action than my SP-01. It is such a small difference in Single Action pull weight, but the break is smooth as can be. Maybe that statement isn?t entirely true, I am sure it can be even better, but it sure feels incredible! If I was going to leave the FPB in I would have spent loving tender care time on polishing it, and it would not have been a hindrance to the feel and pull weight. My classic 75 Compact still has the FPB and a 15 lb hammer spring (the heaviest of my 3 pistols at this point) and yet it has the lightest SA trigger pull of my three CZ?s. I say this to prove that the FPB can ultimately be a non-issue to achieve an incredible trigger pull, but it will always create a longer trigger reset by the vary nature of its mechanical function.



Step 7.5: 11 lb hammer spring
    Since I had created the posts already I didn't want this to get buried in the following pages of the thread. So it goes here, before conclusions. I put in the 11.5 lb hammer spring for testing. I'm going to see if I get reliable ignition with all primers I can test. Here's the results of the impact on trigger pull weights. I sure hope this works because the trigger pull is stupid awesome! Especially the Double Action!
    I called David (Schmeky) to ask him about this phase of my testing. I mentioned that my Classic Compact firing pin leaves a smaller dimple on primers than this SP-01 Compact, even though I am running a 15 lb hammer spring VS a 13 lb Hammer Spring. We had a good conversation that included things like CZ running tooling a little too long, which  can impact the smoothness of the Firing Pine Channel on pistols made at the end of the tooling life, thus impacting firing pin inertia and contributing to this difference in some pistols. I was worried it had something to do with the firing pin retaining pin, but he confirmed that this would not be the case. So, the exceptional drop in trigger pull weight from installing the 11.5 lb hammer spring could still produce reliability in all primers. But, that may also be dependent on the finish of each pistol. Keep in mind there are lighter hammer springs available, so I am not necessarily pushing the extreme limits. David mentioned they have gotten some Double Action triggers down to the mid 4 lb range and they worked reliably on Federal primers for those guns, but he prefaced again that not all of the pistols will pull that off. He told me to test the Double Action for failures. If the there will be failures that is where I will see them first and most often. If I have no failures in Double Action then Single Action will be fine. As a side note, I forgot to ask if polishing the firing pin channel would improve the reliability of lower hammer spring weights by reducing friction and allowing inertia to be maintained. I'll follow up on that when I call him with some frame widths for safeties.  I am trying to explain as much as possible because the 13 lb hammer spring is the one that they say will have 100% reliability with their extended firing pin and reduced power firing pin spring, while the 11.5 lb hammer spring may not work on the hardest of primers 100% of the time. David did say he is always hesitant to give absolutes because he tells people something he has seen he then seems to see something happen that is different. Big paraphrase on my part, but basically with my trigger pull weights being very nice for the 11.5 lb hammer spring I could have 100% reliability on all primers, but there could be a pistol that doesn't at those trigger pull weights. Test your pistol with this hammer spring on many primers. If it works you're good, if not just jump back to 13 lbs. And possibly (depending on what David says) you can polish the firing pin channel for improved results, but that is speculation on my part at this point.

Step 7.5 Results:
Double action: 5 lbs 9 ounces
Single Action: 2 lbs 0.7 ounces

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2016, 01:24:34 AM »
Conclusions:
     This test was full of surprises for me. I really wish I had the budget to get a disconnector and test how much it impacts the weight of the trigger pull. Ultimately, I will call Cajun Gun Works about the spring kit and see what their thoughts are about the relatively small reduction in DA trigger pull weight. Let?s be honest though, 7 lbs 11 ounces Double Action isn?t a terrible result. When I do speak to them I will append the results of that conversation.
    Ultimately, I have learned that the Competition or Race hammers play a very important role in achieving a great trigger, but I was already a proselyting evangelist for them. The aftermarket disconnectors were a surprising part that I had previously not proselytized, but now I have to give them more credit. Polishing is still essential, but it just didn?t impact pull weight like I thought it would. I still have a hard time saying it does not reduce pull weight. I really hope CZ Custom and CGW guys get on here and chime in as to why these results may have happened since they work with so many pistols (and the other fanatics like SP-01).

Best Budget Upgrades for A CZ 75 Manual Safety:
    I hear people say that you have to spend $1,000 total to make a CZ 75 nice. At this point you?ve spent as much as you would on an expensive brand like Sig. I had set out to determine if this was true or false, and it was false. Now, what gets the most bang for your buck? Keep in mind there?s all sorts of parts and upgrades available to accomplish shorter reset, reach reduction, even better triggers, etc. I am not saying those aren?t worth it, I?m just working a budget list of getting the most impact out less money.
    I want to pose another thought. Pretend you go buy an M&P. Are you going to shoot it stock? If you are a glutton for terrible triggers you will, otherwise you?re ordering an Apex trigger for around $150-$165. Let?s say you buy a Glock, same thing. Sure, you can buy one of those 3.5 lb trigger reset bars, but if you?re serious then you?re likely getting a Zev or Apex Trigger for $150-$190. Does everyone do this? No! Am I being a little sarcastic? Yes! So don?t take offence. But?... those who are reading forums (this forum specifically) and reading this thread are likely the people that would make those mods. That is my reasoning for these ?best budget recommendation? price ranges below. Competitively priced with other nice trigger upgrades for some other brands I am a little familiar with.  I?ll offer two budget options, but they aren?t the only two. You can chose any parts from either custom shop. Knowing what I know now, I would have gone with the second option.

Most Budget Friendly Upgrades:
    1- CZ Competition Hammer or CGW Race Hammer $69 - $79
    2- Hammer Strut $10
    3- 2 CGW Hammer Pins $2.50 each
    4- Firing Pin Retaining Pin CGW $5.00
    5- Reduced Power Firing Pin Spring CGW $5.00
    6- 15 lb Hammer Spring  $7.00
    7- All the polishing in the tutorials on this site. If you cut corners you?ll feel it.
  Total: $101.00 - $111.00

Best Budget Friendly Option:
    1- Most Budget Friendly Upgrade Parts
    2- CGW Disconnector $38.00
  Total: $139.00 - $149.00
Disconnector Update:
After testing my CGW Disconnector and seeing no real change in trigger pull weight I redact this as the best budget friendly option. I'll leave it here for now. I am going to load up some more rounds with S&B primers and CCI primers, both being known to be a little or pretty hard. Then I'll test the 11.5 lb hammer spring for reliability with the CGW extended firing pin, basically to see if there is something a little different causing more pressure with the same weight springs in this SP-01 Compact model. I'll post updates  as I complete testing.
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2016, 08:35:42 AM »
I know this took a lot of work. Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2016, 09:09:23 AM »
I know this took a lot of work. Thanks for sharing.

Well, thank you sir! And you're most welcome! Just trying to give back a little, since I've received so much help.
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2016, 09:12:14 AM »
Great write up Scarlet Pistol. [emoji106]
    As to your DA pull, with what you've done, I'd say your right where you belong.
     All my pistols (Rami BD, P01, SP01 Tactical, and Phantom) sit at 8lb or a little less with the 13# hammer spring.
    But..... the kicker here is your baseline. Amazing that you started off with a 9 lb 4.3 oz DA  [emoji50]
   All of mine have been around 14lb when stock!
   Great job[emoji6]
   
   
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2016, 09:57:22 AM »
Thank you for the very detailed write up. I appreciate the work you put into it. After shooting my SP-01 Compact completely stock yesterday, I just don't see myself changing a thing besides the sights. Even the sights are kind of decent. Mine have a larger green painted dot, with two smaller yellow painted dots on the rear sight. All glow with charging, but the front is larger and brighter. Kind of a nice, so I'm not too worried or in a rush.

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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2016, 10:32:18 AM »
Great write up Scarlet Pistol. [emoji106]
    As to your DA pull, with what you've done, I'd say your right where you belong.
     All my pistols (Rami BD, P01, SP01 Tactical, and Phantom) sit at 8lb or a little less with the 13# hammer spring.
    But..... the kicker here is your baseline. Amazing that you started off with a 9 lb 4.3 oz DA  [emoji50]
   All of mine have been around 14lb when stock!
   Great job[emoji6]

Thanks cntrydawwg! And thank you for chiming in about the DA pull weight. I guess I am spoiled with my SP-01 and its stupid good DA pull with all the goodies. I am thinking that had my sear not had that burr to make the SA break feel as gritty as it did then my stock pistol wouldn't have bee that bad at all. I wonder if the other SP-01 Compacts are coming with DA pulls around 9-10 lbs.

Thank you for the very detailed write up. I appreciate the work you put into it. After shooting my SP-01 Compact completely stock yesterday, I just don't see myself changing a thing besides the sights. Even the sights are kind of decent. Mine have a larger green painted dot, with two smaller yellow painted dots on the rear sight. All glow with charging, but the front is larger and brighter. Kind of a nice, so I'm not too worried or in a rush.
I'm stoked to hear more good things about these SP-01 Compacts, glad you are enjoying yours! I would feel pretty bad had I gotten excited and then helped convince other people to buy them and then they were crappy...
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Re: Testing the Impact of Trigger Upgrades
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2016, 11:49:19 AM »
As usual you did a terrific job. This forum and folks like you who are so open to sharing information make this the best forum out there. Thanks, Jim