The CZ P-10 is here, with video

[IDescribe]

How is it a constraint? Is it a constraint in the P07/P09? I guess I don't get the point.

Every design requirement is a constraint.  If there's a benefit tothe requirement, you might call it a feature.  But if there's no real benefit to it, then it's nothing more than a constraint. 

My understanding is the CZ slide-in-frame design is to lower the bore axis.

I've heard that.  I've also heard it makes them more accurate.  I suspect both are brand myths.

Rather than derail the thread with gun design theory, the few different ways you can lower bore axis, and how slide-in/slide-out need not affect any of them, I'll just suggest that going the design path of the Glock, which has an exceedingly low bore axis, is probably a pretty good path to a low bore axis.

[rhart]

I don't think a copycat product with a similar price point is going to make a huge dent in the Glock market share any more than CZ clones have taken significant market share away from CZ. Product differentiation is lacking. That's why I belive CZ should have retained their signature slide-in-frame design. Even if slide-in-frame doesn't lower the bore axis to be lower than a Glock (by even a little), it helps to keep external debris out of the pistol. The introduction of this pistol may bring overall prices of Glocks (and CZ's version of a Glock) down - especially if the two companies get into a war over market share.

[flattusmaximus78]

My local gun store guy says when the arrive I can get one for $479. My local Acadamy has a G19 from $569. Almost $100 makes that a diff price point for me.

[Gretsch9]

Cz p10 will fit on a g19 holster.. question, will the sites of g19 also compatible with the czp10?

Doubtful. I would hazard a guess that you will need P-07/09 sights for the 10.

The CZ USA rep told me that the front sight cut is the same as the P07 but the rear has a unique cut.

Unique as in different from a P-07 or unique as in that it is different from the Kadet/85/etc dovetail? 

I will need to get a red dot mount for one as soon as possible is why I'm asking. 

Joe

He just said unique in his reply, which makes me think it'll have a different depth than other CZs.  I'll just black out the rear dots and put on my preferred front fiber once I know the front sight height of the P10 I end up with. I do like the style and function of the factory rear, just not the dots.

[Bossgobbler]

more info:

  http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/12/jeremy-s/gun-review-cz-p-10-c/

[rhart]

My local gun store guy says when the arrive I can get one for $479. My local Acadamy has a G19 from $569. Almost $100 makes that a diff price point for me.

I paid $500 for my gen 4  Glock 19 at a gun show brand new. If you are LE or first responder, a gun store here in Oklahoma is selling brand new Glock 19 gen 4s for $425.

I could have bought a Canik (CZ clone) for around $300, but I like the real deal CZs so I paid about $450.00 for the SP01 Compact. Sometimes a price differential is overcome by factors such as after purchase service and availability of upgrade/replacement parts.

If people start buying the P-10C instead of the Glock, the price of Glocks will fall. Good old capitalistic competition at work.

[rhart]

more info:

  http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/12/jeremy-s/gun-review-cz-p-10-c/

Wow. This guy really likes the P10C - says its better than a Glock 19 in every way. Maybe I was wrong... Time and market share will tell. The Glock is the gun of preference for SF warriors and that is a selling point that will be hard to overcome.

[cntrydawwwg]

Cz p10 will fit on a g19 holster.. question, will the sites of g19 also compatible with the czp10?

Doubtful. I would hazard a guess that you will need P-07/09 sights for the 10.

The CZ USA rep told me that the front sight cut is the same as the P07 but the rear has a unique cut.

Unique as in different from a P-07 or unique as in that it is different from the Kadet/85/etc dovetail? 

I will need to get a red dot mount for one as soon as possible is why I'm asking. 

Joe

He just said unique in his reply, which makes me think it'll have a different depth than other CZs.  I'll just black out the rear dots and put on my preferred front fiber once I know the front sight height of the P10 I end up with. I do like the style and function of the factory rear, just not the dots.

   In the T.A.G. Link Bossgobbler posted, they say the rear is the same dovetail as the Shadow 2.

[rhart]

TTAG also said the bore axis is not as low as a Glock... or rather, that one can't grip as high which is saying the same thing.

[Joe L]

TTAG also said the bore axis is not as low as a Glock... or rather, that one can't grip as high which is saying the same thing.

From what I saw in the videos, the physical bore axis distance isn't slowing anyone down.  But what do I know, I used to shoot IDPA with a SIG, one of the tallest bore axis guns out there.  If the dimension is no more than that of a P-07/09, I'm happy.  I don't care about comparisons to a Glock since it isn't even under consideration. 

Joe

[rhart]

TTAG also said the bore axis is not as low as a Glock... or rather, that one can't grip as high which is saying the same thing.

From what I saw in the videos, the physical bore axis distance isn't slowing anyone down.  But what do I know, I used to shoot IDPA with a SIG, one of the tallest bore axis guns out there.  If the dimension is no more than that of a P-07/09, I'm happy.  I don't care about comparisons to a Glock since it isn't even under consideration. 

Joe

I shot IPSC production with a SIG 226 9mm and you are right SIG has one of the tallest bore axis' out there. I can shoot a Glock much faster and with better control than a SIG. The comparisons to Glock derive from the big picture fact that CZ is directly challenging Glock in the market - whether or not you or I are considering them. I have one Glock and that is enough for me - it rarely gets shot (I currently have about 5 SIGs and they rarely get shot also). I prefer all-metal pistols myself (preferrably all-steel CZs), but I may buy a P-10 after they have been in people's hands and if the reviews are good. In the video I believe he mentions shooting "reloads" so who knows how soft the ammo is.

[Joe L]

Agreed, CZ can and has to do the public comparisons to a Glock, but I don't need to from a personal standpoint, although I may have to borrow one from my next door neigbor to do a secret, private comparison, for myself, that is.  I don't want anyone knowing I have actually shot one.   

Joe

[rhart]

Agreed, CZ can and has to do the public comparisons to a Glock, but I don't need to from a personal standpoint, although I may have to borrow one from my next door neigbor to do a secret, private comparison, for myself, that is.  I don't want anyone knowing I have actually shot one.   

Joe

Ha, ha! Good one.

[Dstangs21]

My local gun store guy says when the arrive I can get one for $479. My local Acadamy has a G19 from $569. Almost $100 makes that a diff price point for me.

Not bad. I'm checking with my two LGS to see when/how much. They run their 19s for $550 so very curious


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[ernie_h]

more info:

  http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/12/jeremy-s/gun-review-cz-p-10-c/

Thanks for the link. 'Been following the P10c threads with interest. Don't really 'need' another striker-fired polymer 9mm?..but, then again, I don't have one in FDE, so maybe  ?.in any case, more interested to see how the .40 shoots when they finally come out and are reviewed.