Suppressor Sight Height Question

[flattusmaximus78]

Hey guys,

I ordered some Dawson sights, for my P09 Urban Grey. I bought this model for the color, capacity, and the extra barrel length. Never really was interested int he sights as I don't plan to buy a suppressor. The sights are heavy duty and the tritium is no joke.

No issues with the sight, but the POI was much lower than POA, obviously. Aside from that, seriously accurate. Did anyone else feel like that is a lot of work when shooting more than a handful of rounds without a suppressor?

I ended up buying the all black serrated rear right and a fiber optic front, both of which are the lower of the two options available. I saw another thread where a user had brought these exact sights up, he said they were similar to stock sights, in height, and were dead on as well as quality.

[rbschneider1]

If your'e shooting 115 gr bullets, try shooting the 124 or 147 to see if it brings you closer to POA/POI. The heaver bullets will shoot higher.

[flattusmaximus78]

Not really shooting high or low honestly. I've shot both as I usually grab whichever ammo is on sale, hasn't really made a difference: Winchester, Blazer, Monarch... etc.

Hits the same spot every time with the barrel being significantly lower then the front dot, as I would expect it too.

Some examples of what I mean.

This is probably 12 yards or so, putting the front dot right above the head, with 5 shots. The flyer on the right isn't from this group:



This is roughly 7 yards or so, with the front dot covering the line outlining the head, can't recall how many rounds:



Double action only, 5 shots, probably 7 yards as well. Again aiming at the top of the head with the front dot:



Double action only 5 shots at 7 yards, aiming at the 9 above the bulls-eye, which can't be seen, but the one at six o'clock gives you an idea:



I think this is 16 yards or so, which is the length of my indoor range. 5 shots putting the dot between the 7 and the neck:



This was from last night. Putting the front dot just above the paper on the cardboard to hit the top target. When shooting the lower target I put the front dot over the bottom of the top target:





I'm not a good shooter, I've been to the range in the past with other peoples guns, but since getting a little Bersa .380, then my sr40c, and now my CZ; I try to go 2-3 times a month. I've only been to the range 4 times with this gun, I have roughly 800 rounds through it. It is very accurate, but I can't get groups like this consistently because I feel it takes too much effort with tall sights to get back on target where I was pointing at with the previous shot.

Probably just me.

[whitecap]

Would it be possible for you to use some sort of rest while shooting. Anything, range bag, sandbag, something to steady the pistol and remove as much of you as possible? Shoot at the same point regardless of where your bullets hit. You should start to see a pattern or grouping emerge. I am hoping that you bought the sight SET from Dawson for this pistol. If so, you need to figure out how far off you are, in what direction(high or low) and at 20 yds. preferably. Relay this information to Dawson Precision and if you did buy the sight set they are guaranteed to be POA = POI and they will send a different front sight to correct the error.

[flattusmaximus78]

Would it be possible for you to use some sort of rest while shooting. Anything, range bag, sandbag, something to steady the pistol and remove as much of you as possible? Shoot at the same point regardless of where your bullets hit. You should start to see a pattern or grouping emerge. I am hoping that you bought the sight SET from Dawson for this pistol. If so, you need to figure out how far off you are, in what direction(high or low) and at 20 yds. preferably. Relay this information to Dawson Precision and if you did buy the sight set they are guaranteed to be POA = POI and they will send a different front sight to correct the error.

I could prob make my own rest, but as you hoped for lol I did order them via Dawson. My range is only 16 yards if I'm not mistaken. I don't have any problem with finding out where it hits the target, it's just that aiming so much higher than point of impact gets tiring. It hurts consistency for me. Am I wrong in thinking that with tall sights it would not hit at POA? But Instead significantly lower. Results never vary, doesn't matter the ammunition.

https://dawsonprecision.com/copy-of-dawson-precision-colt-1911-22-rimfire-rail-gun-fixed-carry-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

Those are the ones I purchased^ . I later found some tritium sights on the cz sight for the same price, looks like the low profile ones from the FDE model, I was pissed, but from what I hear it takes a decade to get stuff shipped from CZ, which wouldn't surprise me as I sent them an email in September, sill waiting for a surprise.

There was two similar options on CGW, the taller ones seemed like they were just as tall as the stock suppressor sights so I scooped these up. My Dad's XDS 9 Has a fiber optic front with a serrated rear, two dots though. Gun is super easy to bring up on target, I figured without the dots it could only get better.

[s0nspark]

I didn't see a big difference in POI with my UG P-07. I shoot 147gr exclusively.

I ended up removing the stock sights, though, and now have suppressor-height Dawsons - plain black but front was milled for fiber - along wth an RMR.

[whitecap]

If you are looking for true night sights, look on Cajun Gun Works site.They have a set specifically for the P 09 (97343).

[flattusmaximus78]

I didn't see a big difference in POI with my UG P-07. I shoot 147gr exclusively.

I ended up removing the stock sights, though, and now have suppressor-height Dawsons - plain black but front was milled for fiber - along wth an RMR.

I would assume on any gun taller sight blade places POI lower than POA. The more you increase the the height of the blade, the more that distance grows as it put the bore further away from where the dot is.

[s0nspark]

I would assume on any gun taller sight blade places POI lower than POA. The more you increase the the height of the blade, the more that distance grows as it put the bore further away from where the dot is.

Yes, taller front (or lower rear) lowers POI. POI and POA are only the same at whatever distance the sights are regulated at - usually 25 yards - so at shorter or longer distances you do see a slight shift. As mentioned above, ammo choice affects this as well.

When I had the mill work done on my P-07, the gunsmith accidentally put a shorter front sight on than was required and my initial POI with irons was about 4" above POI of the dot. Swapping for a taller sight gave me cowitness with the dot...

[flattusmaximus78]

Ordered my Dawson Sites on Friday morning and they showed up this morning. Headed down to the Armories in Kissimmee, where a friend works, and had them toss them on.

Sites are plenty low, come right into site. The stock site is literally like 3 of current height site stacked on top of each other.



Sorry for the poor pics, camera just wants to pic up the front site.



Had to snap a pic, my P-09 Urban Grey, SP-01 Urban Grey, and my buddies P-01 also Urban Grey.

The SP-01 Urban Grey had an even larger rear site than my stocker.

Dawson packaging and sites are awesome, appear to be quality thus far. Need to hit the range, but for the money you get both sites, red optic, replacement red rod and a green rod as well. Set screws for the front and rear as well as the punch tools.

[flattusmaximus78]

BIG difference. Very happy with my choice. I do wish I had gone a little wider on the front sight, but I will adjust after a few range trips. My groups are almost as good with one quick trip to the range with little to no effort or concentration. Doesn't group high or low, just put the front dot over where you want to hit and it does the rest. Now I just need to focus in keeping the front blade centered for some really good groups.