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Offline Roikyou

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Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« on: December 07, 2016, 10:42:38 AM »
I know I'm beating this subject with a stick, lots of contemplation and what to do. I've been through most types of pistols in the last six months, sticking to 9mm just cause I like to shoot and I like the cost. I've started with DA/SA Sig's, moved through Sig's, tried striker's, Glock's specifically, then M&P, moved through the Legion series, then CZ 75 TS from Automatic Accuracy.

So, enjoying the TS, thought I'd try other CZ's but it always seem to point back to DA/SA. Just never cared for DA pull, maybe never gave enough time, never got good with it. Gave the strikers another try, definitely better than what I was with them. Now I have a SP-01 Tactical and P-01, both decockers. I currently own Glock 43, Glock 19, Glock 34 and the CZ 75 TS (with 1# pull). So, keeping an open mind with the Glocks, you can see my pattern of liking no safety's (except the TS which that's just a range gun and you really need to pay attention with that gun)

So, here's where the subject comes in. I'm so on the fence about dealing with DA/SA, almost ready to say to heck with the SP-01 and P-01, work with the Glocks and TS, I enjoy shooting them. Save a lot of money, more money for ammo. To me, there's resemblance of the striker to the SAO, you don't have to deal with the heavy DA pull. I never use the safety with the TS, it's a range gun to me, it's pointed down range and fired, then unloaded, never carried.

If I did decide to give the DA/SA a chance, with the guns I have, trying one for now, thought about P-01 as it's lighter and a little more versatile.

Offline SlvrDragon50

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 11:14:29 AM »
I mean you could always leave the gun with an empty chamber so when you chamber the gun, it is in SA. I don't think you should dismiss DA if you admit you never gave it enough time.

I've noticed HUGE improvements in my DA shooting from just dry firing at home. I also realized that the more I thought about the DA pull, usually the worse I shot. It really needs to be a subconscious trigger pull, no different than SA.

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2016, 11:57:13 AM »
The thing about DA is that one can always manually cock the hammer for SA.  Or, with a safety version, keep it in condition 1.  I like having more options.
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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2016, 01:51:33 PM »
The thing about DA is that one can always manually cock the hammer for SA. 

I carry the P01 with a cartridge in the barrel and decocked condition.  If I ever (NEVER PLEASE) need to draw to defend myself or family, I hope I have time to manually cock as I shoot more accurately with the SA.  The actual act of cocking the hammer...means I have the time to quickly reassess situation and surroundings one last time.

If I do not have that split second of time to cock the hammer....well, the DA pull will add just enough resistance to remind me that I am pulling a trigger.  And my shot pattern with DA is only an inch or two from optimal at defensive distances.  YMMV, but for me, this is my best carry condition.
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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2016, 02:13:01 PM »
I carry my PCR, and 75B at the half cock notch so the DA is not as long as if the hammer was fully down.  In fact, the PCR decocks to that point.  I practice shooting the DA first shot from the draw at my range.  It doesn't bother me transitioning from the DA first shot to the SA shots thereafter.  Whatever you decide, just practice, and you will develop the muscle memory where it becomes automatic. 

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2016, 04:33:40 PM »
you already figured out what you like or dont.

its your $$$, but to me youre just going over the same road and not getting anywhere.


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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2016, 04:58:40 PM »
All it takes to shoot DA accurately is practice. If you're not prepared to do that, I see no point to carrying one. Carry a striker or SA pistol instead.
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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2016, 11:17:38 AM »
Thank you everyone for the input. I'm going to Cajun the SP-01, work the DA. My thought, if you have a DA/SA, you need to get used to the DA. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing to learn all different trigger types and being versatile, which is the direction I'm heading. I made a joke the other day, the six guns I have, every 30 days, I stick with these and work with these guns, I should get a token.

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2016, 05:24:50 PM »
Buy a CZ P-10C, best of all the worlds you like.

Offline Joe L

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2016, 06:49:12 AM »
Thank you everyone for the input. I'm going to Cajun the SP-01, work the DA. My thought, if you have a DA/SA, you need to get used to the DA. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing to learn all different trigger types and being versatile, which is the direction I'm heading. I made a joke the other day, the six guns I have, every 30 days, I stick with these and work with these guns, I should get a token.

This will work great.  All I did to get used to the DA trigger was some dry fire at home and then start a range session with 10 Da shots in a row from a draw or with the gun on the bench.   I just got used to the idea that the first shot after picking up the gun was going to be DA.  I think a couple of years of IDPA matches, starting with the gun in a holster hammer down in DA helped.  I have left all the non-bullsye match guns as DA/SA because of the comfort level I have with it.

The P-10 may eventually become next year's option, without the strange grip angle and blocky grip shape of the Glock.  That is the only striker fired gun I've ever even wanted to try other than a Kahr, whicih I like just fine because of the buttery smooth long striker trigger.

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2016, 11:00:05 AM »
I think a couple of years of IDPA matches, starting with the gun in a holster hammer down in DA helped.  I have left all the non-bullsye match guns as DA/SA because of the comfort level I have with it.

I shot my CZ P09 in IDPA all last year and Joe is right, it helped tremendously with my DA/SA shooting
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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2016, 09:10:08 PM »
I've been going through the same gyrations as you trying to decide on a platform. Tried revolvers (wish I had back all the SW 66s I sold over the years!), DA/SA (still have a PX4 Storm Compact, a nice gun, better than the full-size, IMO), SA (C. Daly Hi Power) and a Hi Power with the SFS system. Still own a Kahr CW 9 and CW 380, SW Shield (nice!), Ruger SR22, and a Glock 17.

As much as I like shooting the striker-fired guns, I have this mental block in my head against them given their relatively light trigger and no safety (my Shield has a safety, but as a lefty it isn't something I can actuate quickly). I know, I know - it's a training issue, finger off the trigger....Regardless, it bothers me.

I really liked the Hi-Power and decided to head back that SA direction. Just ordered a Sig 938 and am in search of a used MK 3 Hi Power or, preferably, a CZ 75 B SA. That's my story and I'm sticking to it...until I change my mind again.

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2016, 07:42:20 PM »
As a guy who trains regularly, with 1911's I carry, train and practice in condition one (cocked and locked).  That being said, my CZ Compact double/single is converted to SAO.  My wife and I both carry concealed and want our manual of arms to be identical for anything we carry. Our philosophy is that we want no confusion under stress so all of our firearms work the same way.

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2016, 09:40:11 PM »
Thank you everyone for the input. I'm going to Cajun the SP-01, work the DA. My thought, if you have a DA/SA, you need to get used to the DA. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing to learn all different trigger types and being versatile, which is the direction I'm heading. I made a joke the other day, the six guns I have, every 30 days, I stick with these and work with these guns, I should get a token.
It should take very little practice to become proficient with a cajunized da pull. More shooting less thinking.

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Re: Striker, SAO or DA/SA
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2016, 10:07:57 PM »
To get a better feel for the DA Trigger Pull of your Pistol, try practicing with a DA Revolver and keeping IT on Target
Trust me, you'll have a huge appreciation of the DA Trigger Pull on a CZ SP-01
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