CZ83 7.65mm & Hollowpoint Question

[Robert Louis]

I have a CZ 83, 7.65 mm and was wondering has anyone found a hollow point brand that works reliable with this firearm?  Based on advice I have gotten on the forums I have only shot it with FMJ Fiochhi, Sellier &  Bellot (S&B), Geco, 73 grain brand ammo and it worked flawlessly.  I could not get the gun to jam even though I limp wristed it.  Before I had a custom magazine loader I tried using a 9 mm magazine loader and sometimes the front of the round got pushed downward at an angle and the casing got bent.  I should have thrown the rounds out but I shot them anyway, feeding from the magazine, and the CZ 83 perform flawlessly. 

Any advice or experiences using the CZ 83, 7.65 mm with hollowpoint or other self-defense ammo would be appreciated.  Thank you and happy shooting.

 

[cavegeo]

I have a CZ 83, 7.65 mm and was wondering has anyone found a hollow point brand that works reliable with this firearm?  Based on advice I have gotten on the forums I have only shot it with FMJ Fiochhi, Sellier &  Bellot (S&B), Geco, 73 grain brand ammo and it worked flawlessly.  I could not get the gun to jam even though I limp wristed it.  Before I had a custom magazine loader I tried using a 9 mm magazine loader and sometimes the front of the round got pushed downward at an angle and the casing got bent.  I should have thrown the rounds out but I shot them anyway, feeding from the magazine, and the CZ 83 perform flawlessly. 

Any advice or experiences using the CZ 83, 7.65 mm with hollowpoint or other self-defense ammo would be appreciated.  Thank you and happy shooting.

 

In 7.65 mm I recommend shooting FMJ rather than hollow points, 32 ACP hollow points don't penetrate enough to reach vital organs.

The second issue is than Hollow Points rounds are shorter and this can lead to the rounds moving around in the mag and causing rim lock as 32 ACP is a semi rimmed round.

[olfarhors]

Yea that was going to be my question?
 does anyone make a reliable hollow point that will expand at those velocities??
 if not why look for the Unicorn?

[Robert Louis]

I have a CZ 83, 7.65 mm and was wondering has anyone found a hollow point brand that works reliable with this firearm?  Based on advice I have gotten on the forums I have only shot it with FMJ Fiochhi, Sellier &  Bellot (S&B), Geco, 73 grain brand ammo and it worked flawlessly.  I could not get the gun to jam even though I limp wristed it.  Before I had a custom magazine loader I tried using a 9 mm magazine loader and sometimes the front of the round got pushed downward at an angle and the casing got bent.  I should have thrown the rounds out but I shot them anyway, feeding from the magazine, and the CZ 83 perform flawlessly. 

Any advice or experiences using the CZ 83, 7.65 mm with hollowpoint or other self-defense ammo would be appreciated.  Thank you and happy shooting.

 

In 7.65 mm I recommend shooting FMJ rather than hollow points, 32 ACP hollow points don't penetrate enough to reach vital organs.

The second issue is than Hollow Points rounds are shorter and this can lead to the rounds moving around in the mag and causing rim lock as 32 ACP is a semi rimmed round.

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.  If FMJ are the bullets for the CZ 83 and 7.65 mm Browning, how effective is in FMJ in 32 ACP for self-defense?  One has a small around that will not expand and probably pass through the person.  I know 32 ACP was used for many years as a police round but it was in the decades where not many police officers were shooting people in Eastern Europe anyway IMHO.  If you have any other views on this topic or information I would very much appreciate hearing about it.

I know I have heard from some people that 32 ACP even if it is small, can be a very nasty wound.  I do not know the effectiveness of it for self-defense round.

Happy shooting.

[cavegeo]

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.  If FMJ are the bullets for the CZ 83 and 7.65 mm Browning, how effective is in FMJ in 32 ACP for self-defense?  One has a small around that will not expand and probably pass through the person.  I know 32 ACP was used for many years as a police round but it was in the decades where not many police officers were shooting people in Eastern Europe anyway IMHO.  If you have any other views on this topic or information I would very much appreciate hearing about it.

I know I have heard from some people that 32 ACP even if it is small, can be a very nasty wound.  I do not know the effectiveness of it for self-defense round.

Happy shooting.

I recall a study that actually ranked the 32 acp as the best round for self defense, based on numbers of deceased after a shooting.  Not sure I would bet my life on this study as the 32 acp had the greatest number of victims compared to other rounds.  I believe the study was done by a shooting group out of Ohio, I will see if I can find a link to this article.

I found the article "An Alternative Look at Hand Gun Stopping Power" and the statistic that surprised me was the percentage of incapacitation by one shot. The little 32 acp had a 72% rate of incapacitation by one shot, the best for all hand gun calibers.  Read the article as the author is not making the case for the 32 acp just interesting that it had such a high rate of one shot stops.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

The take away from the article was that for all handgun calibers is that it took two (2) rounds to incapacitate a person, my belief is to shoot till they are no longer a threat.   

[Robert Louis]

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.  If FMJ are the bullets for the CZ 83 and 7.65 mm Browning, how effective is in FMJ in 32 ACP for self-defense?  One has a small around that will not expand and probably pass through the person.  I know 32 ACP was used for many years as a police round but it was in the decades where not many police officers were shooting people in Eastern Europe anyway IMHO.  If you have any other views on this topic or information I would very much appreciate hearing about it.

I know I have heard from some people that 32 ACP even if it is small, can be a very nasty wound.  I do not know the effectiveness of it for self-defense round.

Happy shooting.

I recall a study that actually ranked the 32 acp as the best round for self defense, based on numbers of deceased after a shooting.  Not sure I would bet my life on this study as the 32 acp had the greatest number of victims compared to other rounds.  I believe the study was done by a shooting group out of Ohio, I will see if I can find a link to this article.

I found the article "An Alternative Look at Hand Gun Stopping Power" and the statistic that surprised me was the percentage of incapacitation by one shot. The little 32 acp had a 72% rate of incapacitation by one shot, the best for all hand gun calibers.  Read the article as the author is not making the case for the 32 acp just interesting that it had such a high rate of one shot stops.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

The take away from the article was that for all handgun calibers is that it took two (2) rounds to incapacitate a person, my belief is to shoot till they are no longer a threat.

Thanks for the link to the article it was quite interesting.  I also like the office conclusion about psychological stops skewing the data.  There are many factors into calibers size and stopping power besides simply the caliber.

[MP2 Guy]

Interesting article and I would have never guessed.  Bottom line -- it would suck getting shot by any firearm.

[ZardozCZ]

You might do a little diggin on the LeHigh Defense Extreme Cavitator in 32ACP. Gel tests show a significant and long wound channel and 13" penetration or better. It appears to do more damage than the hollow points tested. Being solid copper there's barrior penetration without deformation. The gel tests are impressive, and enough reason for me to pick up a Beretta Tomcat for the fun of it. I "accidentally" won a lowballed bid on GB, so have a Seecamp LWS32 coming my way now too. Santa's being very good to me!

Guess I'll have to watch for an 83 in 7.65 now, did they make any in Nickle?

[Robert Louis]

You might do a little diggin on the LeHigh Defense Extreme Cavitator in 32ACP. Gel tests show a significant and long wound channel and 13" penetration or better. It appears to do more damage than the hollow points tested. Being solid copper there's barrior penetration without deformation. The gel tests are impressive, and enough reason for me to pick up a Beretta Tomcat for the fun of it. I "accidentally" won a lowballed bid on GB, so have a Seecamp LWS32 coming my way now too. Santa's being very good to me!

Guess I'll have to watch for an 83 in 7.65 now, did they make any in Nickle?

I searched on ammoseek.com but did not see anything listed for Lehigh in .32 acp.  I do not believe they made the CZ 83 and 7.65 mm in Nickle or stainless steel but I may be wrong.  I got mine last February on GunBroker.  I did a little research and since last November 2015 5 were sold on GunBroker through auction.

[cavegeo]

You might do a little diggin on the LeHigh Defense Extreme Cavitator in 32ACP. Gel tests show a significant and long wound channel and 13" penetration or better. It appears to do more damage than the hollow points tested. Being solid copper there's barrior penetration without deformation. The gel tests are impressive, and enough reason for me to pick up a Beretta Tomcat for the fun of it. I "accidentally" won a lowballed bid on GB, so have a Seecamp LWS32 coming my way now too. Santa's being very good to me!

Guess I'll have to watch for an 83 in 7.65 now, did they make any in Nickle?

I found the ammo that are recommending but it is not a Hollow Point ammo.

http://www.lehighdefense.com/collections/xtreme-cavitator/products/32-acp-50gr-xtreme-cavitator-ammunition?variant=13337135428

[Robert Louis]

You might do a little diggin on the LeHigh Defense Extreme Cavitator in 32ACP. Gel tests show a significant and long wound channel and 13" penetration or better. It appears to do more damage than the hollow points tested. Being solid copper there's barrior penetration without deformation. The gel tests are impressive, and enough reason for me to pick up a Beretta Tomcat for the fun of it. I "accidentally" won a lowballed bid on GB, so have a Seecamp LWS32 coming my way now too. Santa's being very good to me!

Guess I'll have to watch for an 83 in 7.65 now, did they make any in Nickle?

I found the ammo that are recommending but it is not a Hollow Point ammo.


http://www.lehighdefense.com/collections/xtreme-cavitator/products/32-acp-50gr-xtreme-cavitator-ammunition?variant=13337135428

Thanks Cavegeo.  The statistics on the ammo look good and the bullet looks very interesting.  I imagine this is quite effective for self-defense round.  It is of course in the self-defense round price range with a little on the high side of about a 1.25 a round but it is good to know that there are other options out there.  Thanks for looking this up.

[cavegeo]

Thanks Cavegeo.  The statistics on the ammo look good and the bullet looks very interesting.  I imagine this is quite effective for self-defense round.  It is of course in the self-defense round price range with a little on the high side of about a 1.25 a round but it is good to know that there are other options out there.  Thanks for looking this up.

I have found that the cost of 32 acp ammo tends to cost more than 9mm, I suspect that manufacturing small runs of ammo is the reason for this.  I stocked up on  1200 rounds of Privi Partizan about three years ago from Widener's when they had a sale. I had three pistol in 32 acp but just sold my Vz-61 now only have a CZ-83 and a Tomcat.

[Robert Louis]

Thanks Cavegeo.  The statistics on the ammo look good and the bullet looks very interesting.  I imagine this is quite effective for self-defense round.  It is of course in the self-defense round price range with a little on the high side of about a 1.25 a round but it is good to know that there are other options out there.  Thanks for looking this up.

I have found that the cost of 32 acp ammo tends to cost more than 9mm, I suspect that manufacturing small runs of ammo is the reason for this.  I stocked up on  1200 rounds of Privi Partizan about three years ago from Widener's when they had a sale. I had three pistol in 32 acp but just sold my Vz-61 now only have a CZ-83 and a Tomcat.

How do you like the Vz61?  I was found that to be a very interesting and aesthetically pleasing firearm.  I believe I used to see it in action sci-fi films back in the eighties and nineties frequently.  I saw one once at a gun show where they tend to have nontraditional firearms and it looks very nice and is also very nice to hold.

[larryflew]

Speer gold dots in Colt 1903 .32 expand in 3rd gallon of water if that helps any. Did not test them when I had my 83 in .32.

[Robert Louis]

Speer gold dots in Colt 1903 .32 expand in 3rd gallon of water if that helps any. Did not test them when I had my 83 in .32.

Could you give me some reference points please.  His penetrating the 3rd gallon of water considered good or mediocre for a self-defense round?  I live in 2 populated areas to do any such testing myself.