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Offline ulmapache

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Re: Just read the CZ 82 & cz 50 are not Drop Safe?
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2018, 11:51:33 PM »
The CZ82 IS NOT 'Drop Safe' ! (and CZ83 too)
Was proven after some incidents by czechoslovak weapon testing authority.
It is a design flaw. After that, there was oredered police must not carry round loaded in chamber.
Falling perpendiculary on the hammer, although the "auto safety" does block the hammer from full falling, it does still come forward just a smidget. After that, inertia of the slide moves round from chamber using extractor just enough to cause ignition.

From studying the gun this seems to be an accurate description of what happens if carried double action. If cocked and locked the safety keeps the slide from moving back, and the hammer is farther away from the pin too. When I chamber a round I leave mine cocked and locked, and as with all guns, am deliberate in handling it.

Ja, and I do not carry condition 1...Prefer the makarov, one in the pipe, hammer down, safety ON!!! Simple flick of the thumb and Ivan is ready to rock n roll...Something one cannot do with the cz83...apply safety with the hammer down. Had I known of this, I would have not bought one... But...it is fun at the range, but no longer is my EDC, replaced by a cz 70.

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Re: Just read the CZ 82 & cz 50 are not Drop Safe?
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2018, 09:23:47 AM »
The CZ82 IS NOT 'Drop Safe' ! (and CZ83 too)
Was proven after some incidents by czechoslovak weapon testing authority.
It is a design flaw. After that, there was oredered police must not carry round loaded in chamber.
Falling perpendiculary on the hammer, although the "auto safety" does block the hammer from full falling, it does still come forward just a smidget. After that, inertia of the slide moves round from chamber using extractor just enough to cause ignition.

From studying the gun this seems to be an accurate description of what happens if carried double action. If cocked and locked the safety keeps the slide from moving back, and the hammer is farther away from the pin too. When I chamber a round I leave mine cocked and locked, and as with all guns, am deliberate in handling it.

Ja, and I do not carry condition 1...Prefer the makarov, one in the pipe, hammer down, safety ON!!! Simple flick of the thumb and Ivan is ready to rock n roll...Something one cannot do with the cz83...apply safety with the hammer down. Had I known of this, I would have not bought one... But...it is fun at the range, but no longer is my EDC, replaced by a cz 70.
You are doing the right thing, carry what and how you are comfortable. Please don't take this as argumentative, just trying to peel back the onion of a topic that can make your head hurt. I looked up how Cali does their drop tests and it is very likely that the gun was dropped cocked and locked and not hammer down on a round. This could be my only logical explanation for it winding up on the drop safe roster. Like I quoted above, it  looks very mechanically possible for it to fire if dropped on the hammer in double action. I see it as less likely in other conditions. I rarely carry mine, maybe one time per month. Usually when I do it is a second option and it is either empty or condition 1.

Sorry you purchased something you moderately regret. Like you said even if you don't carry it it is super fun at the range.

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Re: Just read the CZ 82 & cz 50 are not Drop Safe?
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2018, 09:45:58 AM »
Ja, very possible on the Cali test procedure..Posted the info on Calguns...replies were not what I suspected...they fully supported the "gun roster" position of safety...Hmmmm...go figger...
Not really regretting the purchase...just sayin' that if I had known of the issue, I would probably have purchased something different...or held off completely... And...that CZ 70 IS a tackdriver... And...looks good after the makeover...

https://imgur.com/fp8xQwc
« Last Edit: June 13, 2018, 09:49:01 AM by ulmapache »

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Re: Just read the CZ 82 & cz 50 are not Drop Safe?
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2018, 08:41:16 PM »
Thanks for posting pic. Very nice gun and cool grips. Looks real classy together.