A slightly "compact" version of the PCR

[sigken]

The PCR is my winter carry and I really like it for the caliber, size, capacity, DA/SA. However, I do need a jacket to completely hide it from sight. So the perfect PCR for me to carry all year long would be a slightly more compact version with the grip length being about 4.25" ( vs. 5.0"). Then I can effectively hide it with a tshirt or a shirt easily. I am ok to lose 2, 3 round capacity.

A wishful thought though. What do you guys think?

[Pilot1]

I carry a 75D PCR most of the year, then switch to a Polish P-83, or Beretta 85FS for summer carry.  I'd like to see a single stack RAMI or P-10 for easier concealment. 

[Tok36]

This dose not address your issue but it is worth seeing if you have not. A while back a forum member put a RAMI slide on a PCR frame.

Here is a link to the thread:

CZ 75 XCP
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=69370.15

[ThompsonCustom]

The cz 75 XCR was what came to mind to, was one of the best carry guns I ever had/built.

[Pilot1]

This dose not address your issue but it is worth seeing if you have not. A while back a forum member put a RAMI slide on a PCR frame.

Here is a link to the thread:

CZ 75 XCP
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=69370.15

Thanks Tok.  That is really, really cool. 

Thompson, that is really superb work.  Very nice. 

[Scarlett Pistol]

If it is a shorter grip length you are going for the Rami will fit the bill. You can always put your PCR slide on a Rami frame to keep the slide length. 

[sigken]

I carry a 75D PCR most of the year, then switch to a Polish P-83, or Beretta 85FS for summer carry.  I'd like to see a single stack RAMI or P-10 for easier concealment.

I don't think a single stack version is necessary for the PCR because with the VZ or AL grips, the grips become pretty thin IMO. The PCR itself is pretty thin, it's just that the controls (slide release, decocker, etc) are a bit thick. If they can make a low profile of those, I think the PCR is even more concealable.

Another thing with the single stack design is well, it will be a new design, so it will take time for them to work out all the bugs. Rather just make the grip shorter with low profile controls. I think it's going to be a lot more concealable.

I understand CZ is having their hands full at the moment. Imagine the CEO of Kimber or SIG (Cohen) at CZ, we'll probably see like hundreds of new models within a couple of years 

[sigken]

This dose not address your issue but it is worth seeing if you have not. A while back a forum member put a RAMI slide on a PCR frame.

Here is a link to the thread:

CZ 75 XCP
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=69370.15

Sounds like a great work! Thanks for the link.

If it is a shorter grip length you are going for the Rami will fit the bill. You can always put your PCR slide on a Rami frame to keep the slide length. 

The Rami BD is hard to get and pretty thick compared to the PCR though.

The swapping is new to me and thank you for the idea. However, beside the extra cost which is small, I'd hesitant to carry a modified version of any gun for self defense. Reason being huge liability if I had to use it. I don't know what lawyers/prosecutors would come up with to make me look bad in front of the jury for using a modified gun to shoot somebody. Of course this is just hypothetically speaking but who knows.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

^^^^If you are involved in a defensive shooting and YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT then it will not matter whether you put a shorter slide on the gun or not. I don't own a single handgun that hasn't had some mods done and I'm not concerned about the mythical legality of it. If you end up in court it will be because there is a serious question as to whether you had the right to use deadly force in the first place.

[Earl Keese]

The cz 75 XCR was what came to mind to, was one of the best carry guns I ever had/built.

Just when I finally managed to get this gun out of my head...
Between this one and the royal blue 75, I've spent way too much time lusting after TC built guns.

[sigken]

^^^^If you are involved in a defensive shooting and YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT then it will not matter whether you put a shorter slide on the gun or not. I don't own a single handgun that hasn't had some mods done and I'm not concerned about the mythical legality of it. If you end up in court it will be because there is a serious question as to whether you had the right to use deadly force in the first place.

Yeah I was saying more on the civil court rather than criminal one. The fact that anybody can sue anybody. They can use whatever facts they can to get money out of you even if you are in the right. You know how that stuff goes.

Even if I came out and won the case, I'd have to spend a lot on the attorney fees. Fortunately Texas has the Castle doctrine law, which minimizes the possibility but still anything can happen especially when you have something they can go after.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

^^^^If you are involved in a defensive shooting and YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT then it will not matter whether you put a shorter slide on the gun or not. I don't own a single handgun that hasn't had some mods done and I'm not concerned about the mythical legality of it. If you end up in court it will be because there is a serious question as to whether you had the right to use deadly force in the first place.

Yeah I was saying more on the civil court rather than criminal one. The fact that anybody can sue anybody. They can use whatever facts they can to get money out of you even if you are in the right. You know how that stuff goes.

Even if I came out and won the case, I'd have to spend a lot on the attorney fees. Fortunately Texas has the Castle doctrine law, which minimizes the possibility but still anything can happen especially when you have something they can go after.

I agree on the civil side only to the point that once again if the shooting ends up in a criminal proceeding then there may be grounds for a civil suit afterwards even if you are acquitted. A clean shooting with no prosecution would be hard to stretch into a civil matter and be win able when you have the full weight of the law on your side already. I still say there's no way the customized gun thing would fly when you consider the highly customized guns offered by Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Ed Brown to name a few and lets not forget the heavily modified CZ PCR Protec offered by CZ Custom.

[ThompsonCustom]

The rami 4.0 would probably be closer to what your looking for i just kind of forgot about this build since its was a by product of the XCR.

[sigken]

The rami 4.0 would probably be closer to what your looking for i just kind of forgot about this build since its was a by product of the XCR.

Very interesting. What is this 4.0? Can you give me more details? Thanks.

[larryflew]

. Reason being huge liability if I had to use it. I don't know what lawyers/prosecutors would come up with to make me look bad in front of the jury for using a modified gun to shoot somebody. Of course this is just hypothetically speaking but who knows.

There have been a total of zero prosecutions for modified guns or hand loaded ammunition in the US.  As far as civil suits you are just as likely to be sued carrying a stock firearm.  Burden of proof would be on the person suing you.  Can figure shooting that is justified will still cost you $10'000 for defending yourself either way.

Numbers from predominant attorney here that does a LOT of gun related things.