Need help making an EVO decision

[Batt 57]

I want to start shooting PCC in USPSA and IDPA. I think I want a SBR'd Scorpion that I'll have the option of adding a suppressor to.

My thought process is this...

Buy the 16" with the fake can and start running it right away. Apply for the SBR and order a shorter barrel.  When I'm approved, re-barrel the gun and buy the shorter hand guard to use for matches when not running a can.

Make sense? I don't want to buy the pistol version and having sit while waiting on the paperwork.

One question though, is the fake can removable on the carbine version?


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[viking499]

Yes, the fake can is removable.

[Batt 57]

Yes, the fake can is removable.

Then what size barre are you left with?


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[Kenneth]

16. It's just a shroud that goes over the barrel. I'm pretty sure anyway.


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[Valk]

The can is removable (supposedly, mine won't budge by hand), but if you're going to chase a carbine and pull the fake can off right away, you may as well save a few bucks and just get the version with the compensator.

Fair warning though - popping a stock and 922r parts on a pistol to make it an SBR is going to be a lot easier than pulling the handguard off and chopping the barrel on a carbine. I'm not sure if IDPA/USPSA frown on using braced "pistols" as rifles though.

[brisix]

I have the pistol.  Still waiting on the stamp.  I also bought the 16inch carbine with muzzle brake to start shooting PCC right away and to take to states that don't allow SBRs.   In my opinion the pistol is higher quality.  It runs more reliable then the carbine.   Someone else may know better but the barrel/chamber combo for the carbine must be made in the USA vs at the CZ-UB factory, which has better quality control. 

Also I prefer the more compact package of the SBR.

If I can't trust a firearm 100% then its not ready for major competition.  The pistol/SBR I trust, the carbine I do not.   I am selling my carbine and sticking to the Pistol/SBR.

I am not saying my experience is the norm.

[st381183]

Fair warning though - popping a stock and 922r parts on a pistol to make it an SBR is going to be a lot easier than pulling the handguard off and chopping the barrel on a carbine. I'm not sure if IDPA/USPSA frown on using braced "pistols" as rifles though.

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This. 

If you are serious about SBRing the EVO then I would stay away from the carbine.

[Batt 57]

Fair warning though - popping a stock and 922r parts on a pistol to make it an SBR is going to be a lot easier than pulling the handguard off and chopping the barrel on a carbine. I'm not sure if IDPA/USPSA frown on using braced "pistols" as rifles though.

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This. 

If you are serious about SBRing the EVO then I would stay away from the carbine.

Okay. I hate to be a pain in the ass but explain this to me. I can't just put on another barrel?

I also wasn't aware that's the carbine and pistol were that different


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[DanT]

There have been some threadsort on how hard it is to get the barrel off.  I read something like "dunked in locktite".  I saw posts about breaking stuff trying to get the shell apart.  I think CZ was thinking that they didn't want to hear of one loosening up and falling apart on the battlefield.

On my carbine, the barrel is the full length on the inside of the fake suppressor.  It is simply a shell that screws on over the top of the real barrel.  It seems very cool when on the gun.   A bit cheesy when it is off and you see what it really is, a tube with a threaded cap covering the real barrel.

- DanT  Phoenix, AZ

[tattooo]

You got the right idea....yes the fake can comes off

[mursalot]

I have the pistol.  Still waiting on the stamp.  I also bought the 16inch carbine with muzzle brake to start shooting PCC right away and to take to states that don't allow SBRs.   In my opinion the pistol is higher quality.  It runs more reliable then the carbine.   Someone else may know better but the barrel/chamber combo for the carbine must be made in the USA vs at the CZ-UB factory, which has better quality control. 

Also I prefer the more compact package of the SBR.

If I can't trust a firearm 100% then its not ready for major competition.  The pistol/SBR I trust, the carbine I do not.   I am selling my carbine and sticking to the Pistol/SBR.

I am not saying my experience is the norm.

I hope you're aware that you need to complete an atf form 20-5320.20 if you ever want to take your sbr out of state

I have both the pistol and carbine. Both are flawless. If anything, my carbine is more reliable than my pistol

You need a specialized tool to remove the barrel from your carbine. Or to at least remove the handguard. Will set you back 100 bucks. Or $20 in materials if you're handy with a welder

Does anyone know if you can thread on the faux suppressor backwards? Would be interesting to know if you can use the faux suppressor as a barrel extension installed on a pistol barrel under a carbine handguard when the suppressor isn't in use

[pewpew4life]

The can is removable (supposedly, mine won't budge by hand), but if you're going to chase a carbine and pull the fake can off right away, you may as well save a few bucks and just get the version with the compensator.

Fair warning though - popping a stock and 922r parts on a pistol to make it an SBR is going to be a lot easier than pulling the handguard off and chopping the barrel on a carbine. I'm not sure if IDPA/USPSA frown on using braced "pistols" as rifles though.

Braces are not permitted for PCC in USPSA.

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[cocowheats]

I pulled the barrel out of my Scorpion that started life as a pistol so I could get it cut to 4.5". I had no trouble getting the barrel out at all. I used an adjustable crescent wrench to get the barrel nut off.

[extremist]

Braces are not permitted for PCC in USPSA.

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They are also not permitted in PCC IDPA either.  Although I do not think PCC in IDPA is going to get much traction - many more restrictions.  Plus it's not an officially recognized division in IDPA like it is in USPSA.

10 Round Mags (vs unlimited in USPSA as long as it's not a drum)
16" barrel limit in IDPA, must be stocked. (vs NOT limited in USPSA but must be stocked , i.e. SBRs are legal).

BTW, I run a SBR Scorpion EVO 3 Pistol in USPSA PCC.  It's very much fun.

James

[pewpew4life]

Braces are not permitted for PCC in USPSA.

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They are also not permitted in PCC IDPA either.  Although I do not think PCC in IDPA is going to get much traction - many more restrictions.  Plus it's not an officially recognized division in IDPA like it is in USPSA.

10 Round Mags (vs unlimited in USPSA as long as it's not a drum)
16" barrel limit in IDPA, must be stocked. (vs NOT limited in USPSA but must be stocked , i.e. SBRs are legal).

BTW, I run a SBR Scorpion EVO 3 Pistol in USPSA PCC.  It's very much fun.

James

I don't have any experience with IDPA, that's why I didn't say anything about it. I just bought my Evo pistol in January. Sent the Form 1 for it in the beginning of this month to SBR it. I will also be running mine in PCC once I get the stamp back. Can't wait! It's gonna be so much fun!

Just from what you mentioned, IDPA sounds a lot more boring for PCC. Just as you mentioned, too many restrictions.  I think USPSA learned from its mistake with Carry Optics. Since they have lifted the magazine restrictions (10 round limit) there is a lot more people interested in that division now. I know last local USPSA match we had 3 people in Carry Optics, with several others getting guns ready for that division. Before the magazine restriction, there may have been 5 people shoot Carry Optics all year.

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