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Offline slowgun45

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147gr lead with 2.8gr Bullseye?
« on: March 04, 2017, 10:30:27 PM »
loaded 147gr moly coated bear creek bullet with 2.8gr Bullseye function fine, then loaded 115 gr extreme with same load of Bullseye (2.8gr) lots of fail to fire ? is do I need to up grain for that light bullet, trying to get least amount of recoil and brass not flying so far out of my 75d compact




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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2017, 10:37:51 PM »
Alliant has data for 115gr bullets with Bullseye.

You should check it out.
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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2017, 01:17:30 AM »
Alliant also offers a free Load Data  booklet,  or at least did when I got mine. :-\
The LEE reloading book also has some Bullseye loads for a number of different bullet types and weights.

As a  general rule,  the heavier the bullet,  the lighter the load.  You read it here....on the internet. :)

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2017, 01:42:32 AM »
Before you check those out, you might want to buy and read a reloading manual -- a "how to reload" manual.  From the little info you have given us, it doesn't sound like you have the basic foundation of knowledge from which you would load safely. 

That's not meant to insult you.  That's an honest assessment of your current readiness.  You should be reading right now.  You should not be loading.

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2017, 02:26:28 AM »
Also doesnt sound like a powder problem. More like not seated primer. Do the fire if you pull the trigger again?
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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2017, 06:09:48 AM »
loaded 147 gr moly coated bear creek bullet with 2,8 bulls eye function fine,then loaded 115 gr extreme with same load of bulls eye (2.8gr) lots of fail to fire ? is do I need to up grain for that light bullet,trying to get least amount of recoil  and brass not flying so far out of my 75 d compact

Like IDescribe said you should acquire some manuals and read up on proper techniques. Failure to do so can be very dangerous to you, your gun and possibly bystanders as well should you have a squib from an undercharged case or a catastrophic failure from an overcharged case.
Also you do not lighten loads to keep brass from flying so far away. You tune your recoil spring to the PROPERLY loaded ammunition you are using. You want spent casings to land 6-8 ft from the firing position.

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2017, 07:25:10 AM »
The alliant web site doesn't offer much data on 9MM loads/bullseye powder.  I look at it sometimes but most of the data for pistols seems to be for Speer bullets which I don't use.  It also doesn't really show starting loads or maximum loads or pressures like many reloading manuals do.

It does show a load of 4.0 grains of bullseye for a speer 115 grain hollowpoint.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=1&cartridge=23
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2017, 08:15:39 AM »
I would like to know where you got 2.8 of bullseye for your 147gn moly?

How did you come to the conclusion that you could use the same charge with a different weight bullet?

You are working very dangerously. Take the advice of the previous posts before something bad happens.

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2017, 09:26:42 AM »
OP... You are in the right place here.  These folks know.  They are patient with beginners and not condescending, so continue to ask questions.  Read, read, read, read more, and ask questions.  Once you are certain, ask again - then load.
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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 12:03:52 AM »
I have been reloading a few years ,that's why I asked about it, I do read and ask ?  thanks
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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 02:00:55 AM »
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It also doesn't really show starting loads or maximum loads or pressures like many reloading manuals do
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They show max. load.  Starting load is drop 10% and work up.  Mine doesn't show pressures either.
Have a couple of friends who like 9mm Bullseye loads---a lot.

Brand name bullet loads can be used for other bullets of the same composition, nose shape and weight.  Lighter bullets can use the heavier bullet load data.  If you can find that datas bullet "length",  the seating depth can be solved.  Other bullets of the same composition and weight at that seating depth will be good with that data.

We have a bullet thread here somewhere. :)

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2017, 08:14:18 AM »
Brand name bullet loads can be used for other bullets of the same composition, nose shape and weight.  Lighter bullets can use the heavier bullet load data.  If you can find that datas bullet "length",  the seating depth can be solved.  Other bullets of the same composition and weight at that seating depth will be good with that data.


Allow me re-work that paragraph so it makes sense....

Three main pieces of knowledge for the reloader:
? You can directly use many of the published loads for your own purposes as long as the bullet is of the same construction, shape and weight. E.g. a published load for 115gr Winchester jacketed RN could be used to load 115gr Precision Delta jacketed RN (aka FMJ). A published load for 124gr lead conical nose could be used to load 124gr coated lead SWC.

? If you can find the bullet's length by measurement or consulting our bullet list, then the amount of bullet insertion into the case can be calculated. This insertion is sometimes referred to as "seating depth". (Our bullet list is found HERE.)

? Other bullets of the same composition and weight will be good with that data at that seating depth.

Additionally...
? Data with only one stated load is always Max Load. Starting Load is derived by subtracting 10%. We always begin at the Starting Load and work up in small increments. Dividing the entire load range by 5 is a good way to calculate useful increments.

? We always begin at the Starting Load and work up because there are simply too many variables between different guns that can change the performance and characteristics of a given load. My carefully crafted load will not behave the same in your gun.

? If you cannot find load data for your bullet type/weight, then you can always use similar load data for the next heavier bullet.

? The recipe in the Load Manual is ONLY a lab report saying 'this is what we did and no one died'. It is NOT an exact formula. They are NOT suggesting you use their exact OAL. It is incumbent upon the reloader to interpret the information and derive a safe load for himself/herself. When there is no published data, owning a chrono is almost mandatory.


Hope this helps.  ;)

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2017, 04:56:19 PM »
then loaded 115 gr extreme with same load of bulls eye (2.8gr) lots of fail to fire ?
Do you literally mean that the cartridge failed to fire when the hammer (or striker) hit the primer?  A failure to fire would have nothing to do with the powder and quantity used.  Or, do you mean that the spent case didn't eject and/or the cartridge failed to feed. 

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Re: 147 gr lead with 2.8 bulls eye?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2017, 05:13:16 PM »
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?page=/reloaders/powderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=1&cartridge=23
I don't know where the 2.8 came from but looks like dangerous territory to me.