CZ 75 TS Orange - How to mount a tube type red dot sight?

[fabgrunt]

I am about to purchase a new TS Orange in 9mm.  I intend to use it for bullseye shooting.  With my eyes, a red dot is absolutely necessary.  I have an Aimpoint on my current bullseye gun and want to move that onto the new TS Orange.  According to the dealer, the CZ mount goes in place of the thumb rest on the left side.  However, when I go to the CZ site for parts and accessories, it seems like the mounts they have are for the small RMR dot sights, and I do not see a mount with a rail that would allow a two ring dot style mount.  I also have a Vortex Strikefire on my .22 bullseye gun that I could swap around, but that also requires a rail to mount.

Is there a mount that will go on the left side in place of the thumb rest that does have a rail?  Or, is there a rail that can be put on the RMR style mount?

And in a separate question...  It seems like it would be great if either the thumb rest could be put on over the mount so as to continue to be usable.  Or, have the mount have the thumb rest built into it so as to be both a mount and a thumb rest.  That thumb rest does feel really nice for stabilizing the gun during shooting.  Too bad to lose it in order to put on the red dot.

thanks in advance for any advice and counsel.  I have been shooting for over 40 years, but this will be my first CZ.  I am hoping to be impressed and happy with it, and hoping it is a good choice for a bullseye gun.  At $1650, it is pricey compared to most of my guns, but way less than the Czechmate, the STIs, and other high end competition guns.

[zx9rt1]

fabgrunt. I don't know of an optics mount other than having the slide machined for an RMR optic. The challenge with TS Orange is where the thumb rest is mounted. Other than having the frame drilled an tapped I wouldn't rightly know. And I own a new TS Orange. Good question that I'd like to know the answer to as well.


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[Joe L]

Fabgrunt, I've got an Ultradot on a 22/45 and an Ultradot HD Micro on a Kadet on a rail, and like the tube type red dots.  But I've also got three Burris FF3 3moa sights on centerfire guns, a CZ-97, a P-09, and a 75B.  These are all in dovetail mounts in place of the factory rear sight.  These actually work great for bullseye.  Sure, I'd rather have my slides milled some time, but the tiny red dot sights are a good option to the older tube style. 

I've shot several 100s with the Burris, timed fire, outdoors, 25 yard. 

Joe

[fabgrunt]

According to the local dealer, CZ makes an optics mount for the TS Orange that takes the place of the thumb rest.  Just take off the thumb rest and bolt on the mount.  I am trying to get confirmation of that from CZ.  The mounts I found on CZ that may work that way seem to just be for the small RMR style sights.  I am waiting for a reply from them on that, and whether there is a way to attach a rail to that mount, or if they also have one with the standard rail on it.

I'm already dropping $1650 on the TS Orange.  I already own the Aimpoint and the Vortex Strikefire II.  I really do not want to spend even more money to buy another red dot sight.  I'll keep one of these on my Buckmark .22 target pistol, and the other will go on the TS Orange.  If I cannot mount one of these, I might rethink my purchase of the TS Orange.  The claim of being able to bolt on the mount in place of the thumb rest was part of the attraction for me.  I didn't want to get into slide or frame modifications after already dropping that much coin on the gun.

[Bossgobbler]

There is no mount that is made with a rail..  You could drill and mount a rail to either one but it would put the sight high above the barrel.  as for the thumb rest they make thumb rest that mount on top of the sight mount.

[fabgrunt]

The height above the bore is unfortunately a necessary evil.  But, that is typical of any of the frame mounted rails as are found on 1911 bullseye guns.  I have a gold cup NM .45 and have considered having it drilled and tapped for a frame mount.  I just hate drilling a bunch of holes in the gun.  My current bullseye gun for center filre has a wrap around mount that mounts to the under barrel picatinny rail and mounts the dot sight above the bore.  That gun is just too light and doesn't have the inherent accuracy of a gun like the TS Orange or a Czechmate, etc.  Even on a solid rest, red dot, and very careful shooting, my current gun will shoot into 1.5" or more at 50'. 

As long as you have repeatable vertical hold, and have zeroed precisely at the 50' distance, having the sight well above the bore has not been a hinderance.  My rimfire scores with a crappy trigger are in the 260s and 270s, certainly not upper 290s like the pros.  I did just do a trigger job, so I am anxious to see how much that improves things.  Still, I have a lot more work to do before I am shooting in the 290s!

Sad if there is no easy mount solution for mounting my Aimpoint on the TS Orange.  I was really liking that as a huge upgrade to my center fire bullseye equipment.  I'll wait to hear back from CZ before I make the final decision.  If I have to do modifications anyway, I could go with a Dan Wesson, or another 1911 9mm option and have it drilled and tapped for a frame mount.

Thanks for all the feedback everyone is giving me!   

[Heisenberg]

Have you looked at the UM Tactical mount?  It will give you a Weaver/Picatinny base for an Aimpoint with no modifications needed.  Not sure if the height will be too high and it's not the best looking setup, but it's an option.

[zx9rt1]

Have you looked at the UM Tactical mount?  It will give you a Weaver/Picatinny base for an Aimpoint with no modifications needed.  Not sure if the height will be too high and it's not the best looking setup, but it's an option.

The TS Orange doesn't have a Pic rail.


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[Heisenberg]

My bad, I was picturing the Shadow Orange.

[fabgrunt]

Yes.  that is the mount I am currently using on my bullseye gun.  Mount from the underbarrel picatinny rail around both sides of the frame/barrel to a Weaver mount for my Strikefire II. 

Guess I might have to spend the money on the CZ mount and the Trijicon RMR 3.25 dot sight.  It is pricey, but I've seen some less than glowing reviews and comments about the Leopold offering and their customer service.  CZ sells the mount with the RMR on it, so it would be a 1 stop shop, but it's $550!  Getting into a lot of freaking money!!!

[Penrose]

I'm having exactly the same problems finding a suitable optic/mount for my CZ TS Orange. You mentioned that CZ has a mount/red dot for it. I haven't been able to find that. Where did you find it? I'd prefer a C-More red dot, but at this point, I'd take whatever is available that doesn't require major modifications to the pistol.

[tdogg]

I'm not positive but I do think this fits on the TSO:

https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/czech-mate-specific-parts/multi-optic-side-scope-mount.html

You may still be able to keep the thumb rest too.

Cheers,
Toby

[IronicTwitch]

May not clear the rib on the TS, Czechmate didn't have the rib.  Stuart had mentioned that but I'm not sure I've seen anyone definitely say whether it will or won't work.  I'm curious...

[Penrose]

The thumb rest is inset into the slide and only has 2 screws. Whatever fits it would have to be inset the same way or have a blank to inset to make the slide smooth for a more universal mount.

[zx9rt1]

Penrose is correct. It would have to a specific mount for the Orange.


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