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Offline DOC 1500

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In need of some weird technical measurements
« on: May 21, 2017, 05:17:12 PM »
My cousin, it was looking into getting his first CCW because he's opening a new business.
Here's the Dilemma, he's  was born with a normal size left hand but his right hand was deformed at birth and his index finger on that hand is about a third shorter than a normal man's finger.
With the purchase of his new CCW he's taking in consideration the fact that there may be a situation where his left hand is incapacitated and he has to shoot with his right. With that said, ishe is looking into a 9 mm and I don't believe he wants a mouse gun. We did a quick check with a po7 and with that pistol being in double action mode the trigger is too far away, but in single action mode the trigger is almost the perfect distance for him to be able to grab the trigger with his index finger on his right hand.
He wants a pistol that he can grip with the middle , ring and pinky finger and still be able to get to the trigger with his short and index finger. I guess the measurement I'm thinking of is From the Inside Edge of the beaver tail to the trigger. He Does not want to carry cocked and locked.
Any and all suggestions would be appreciated, and thank you in advance.
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2017, 05:35:04 PM »
Can he operate the slide well? Maybe he can keep one out of the chamber?

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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 05:54:57 PM »
to be honest....the best thing you can do is find a range that will rent guns out...select a variety of handguns that might suit your needs and try em.... even with measurements its all just a guess as to what he will be able to function.
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2017, 06:31:27 PM »
I can't use my trigger finger and have to use my middle finger. I don't get as good of a grip this way but I manage to shoot well when I shoot well.

He might want to give it a try.

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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2017, 06:36:37 PM »
Can he operate the slide well? Maybe he can keep one out of the chamber? Thanks for the suggestion but we all know you can't shoot one if it's not in the chamber.

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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2017, 06:37:56 PM »
I can't use my trigger finger and have to use my middle finger. I don't get as good of a grip this way but I manage to shoot well when I shoot well.

He might want to give it a try.
that is an alternative idea thank you
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2017, 06:39:23 PM »
Can he operate the slide well? Maybe he can keep one out of the chamber?

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yes he has pretty much full function of the right hand, you definitely don't want to get hit by a slight getting hit by a brick.
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2017, 06:40:53 PM »
to be honest....the best thing you can do is find a range that will rent guns out...select a variety of handguns that might suit your needs and try em.... even with measurements its all just a guess as to what he will be able to function.
I think a local range does that I'm not sure it's just recently opened but I do have a neighbor that has a very large assortment of pistols and we may have them bring those and give them all a try ,thanks for the idea
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2017, 07:36:47 PM »
In my search for very concealable edc, the Ruger LC9 and Kahr(especially) had a very short reach to the trigger. Short enough that for me, I had to readjust my grip to get my finger on the trigger. Those may be an option for him and are common enough in stores to handle in person. I hope you don't suggest empty chamber carry. If so, he might as well carry a sling shot and a pocket full of rocks.

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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2017, 08:26:17 PM »
Doc 1500--
So, is your cousin left handed?  So, he only needs to cock the hammer with his left hand if he has to shoot with his right if he gets the P-07.  That's double jeopardy if he has to be able to shoot single hand right handed with a left hand completely out of service. 
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2017, 10:09:35 PM »
You might want to get with a local highly recommended gunsmith to have him work with your cousin to select and setup the trigger for your cousin's needs.  It might mean that a non-curved trigger is used or the trigger is adjusted so it is farther back than normal.  The gun would need to be safe but a competent gunsmith may be able to work magic on the grip and/or trigger and/or frame to fit the gun to your cousin while keeping it usable with his left hand.
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2017, 10:26:50 PM »
Another idea, it may be awkward at first. With training, he should be able to teach himself to shoot using his middle finger on the trigger.
   It wouldn't be the ideal purchase, but since it's his backup hand, it'd be better than nothing. 
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2017, 10:48:23 PM »
His middle finger may or may not have the same amount of strength as his index finger on his right hand.  Then too, it may be stronger.  Building strength in his middle finger may help him.  And conducting safe dry fire training using his middle finger will help strengthen his finger and help build the muscle memory needed to make an off-hand shot work for him.  Some competitions will have stages that require shots be taken using off-hand.  Your cousin may find that his off-hand shooting using his middle finger may get as good as his strong hand given practice.  He may also wish to try shooting a revolver with his right hand or a customized (for him) 1911 or other single-action only handgun.  The 1911 could be in a caliber other than .45 ACP if he finds that beyond what he could safely handle with his right hand. 
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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2017, 11:41:59 PM »
We did a quick check with a po7 and with that pistol being in double action mode the trigger is too far away, but in single action mode the trigger is almost the perfect distance for him to be able to grab the trigger with his index finger on his right hand.
He wants a pistol that he can grip with the middle , ring and pinky finger and still be able to get to the trigger with his short and index finger. I guess the measurement I'm thinking of is From the Inside Edge of the beaver tail to the trigger. He Does not want to carry cocked and locked.
Any and all suggestions would be appreciated, and thank you in advance.


So, does his thumb work? If a P07 needs to be in SA mode just pull the hammer back, simple!

Honestly, I never carried a mod 1911 in condition one,  when that puppy came out the hammer came back at that time.

And in that same frame of mind, the hammer down on the P07 works too. Just easier to pull off the DA round!

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Re: In need of some weird technical measurements
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2017, 04:18:26 AM »
Doc 1500--
So, is your cousin left handed?  So, he only needs to cock the hammer with his left hand if he has to shoot with his right if he gets the P-07.  That's double jeopardy if he has to be able to shoot single hand right handed with a left hand completely out of service. 
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yes he's left-handed as I mentioned in the op . you're absolutely right that's why the p0 7 is out of the question.
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