Hickok45 review of the P-10c

[2bfree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i97bxWSJY6A&feature=em-uploademail

[Shimakaze]

Thanks for the heads up.

Looks like Hickok encountered the stiff slide lock / release on this specimen.  At least he didn't encounter a stiff mag release.

[ragingbulldaily]

Thanks, I've been waiting for that one.

[BobcatAZ]

I have always enjoyed Hickok's reviews but this one somehow seemed different. It almost seemed like he didn't want to do it! I realize some perceive him as the king of all Glock fanboys and could probably be credited with selling more Glocks than all of Glocks advertising, at least to younger shooters. While this review was relatively neutral, he seemed to dwell on a few things like the "flimsey" safety, his difficulty in removing the the firing pin, etc.... Where have you ever seen anyone remove a firing pin in a review? Or stating that you have to own a gun for months or even years to know if it's for you or not. I think CZ was mentioned 3 times while it seemed every other sentence mentioned Glock. Maybe he just did not like the P10C and that's fine but this review just seemed a little odd to me.

[armoredman]

I'm gonna get hammered on this one - did he seem like he was meandering? I was not quite sure where he was going with anything for a while. His cameraman has GOT to learn slow zoom - some of the zoom moments were off putting. I have always liked his reviews, very envious of that range of his.

[viking499]

The past couple of videos I have watched from him, he has seemed to be off a little.  Misquoting gun models, briefly forgetting things and so on. 

Maybe his age is catching up with him.  Or maybe it's the air he inhales....

[whrussell21]

CZ fans are just about as bad as Glock fans when people have issues with said brand and immediately think someone is just biased. Hickok's review was through and through Hickok. It was neutral just like all of his reviews while he highlighted some of the current glaring problems with the P-10 like the slide lock. So even though he is a documented Glock fan he has given the 509 more praise than just about any striker I have seen in awhile. I don't think he has anything against the P-10 except that he wasn't much of a fan which to each their own.

 Due to the size I never even considered the P-10 to really replace the Glock 19 as it's more of a G17. Which in my mind is it's main flaw due to the G19 capacity with the size of pretty much a G17.

CZ fans (and I am a da/sa CZ fan) have to realize that no manufacture including CZ creates a perfect firearm. The P-10 had all of the hype to make people expect perfection but it's not. It has issues with more issues to become apparent with further use which is expected of any firearm. The delays coupled with low production hurt this firearm more than anything in my mind.. As, I myself opted for the 509 and am not currently planning on picking up a P-10 until production etc is worked out.

[Winkel]

It's no secret that Hickock is a Glock fan.  He did seem a little biased against this gun but he sure shot it well.

It's not one of his better reviews in my opinion and I hate to say that because I do follow him.

[gunkucool]

I agree. Usually, after he shoots the gong and happy with it, he will continue to shoot the pigs, rams, small pig, turkeys etc..and gives some complementary such as "..maybe i will get one of this.." ..etc

[armoredman]

whrussel, I wasn't commenting on the fact he was reviewing the P-10C, but that he seemed off his game - for one thing, forgetting which magazines he was loading? I've enjoyed many of his reviews on CZ and non CZ firearms - it just seemed like he wasn't with it, something might be bothering the man.  He's good people, saw him in person at SHOT 2015.

[Joe L]

What I got out of H45's review was that the market is getting crowded with good guns and this is one of them.  After the December hype on the P-10C, it was going to be difficult to say much that wouldn't be interpreted as negative. 

He really lucked out that he didn't have trouble getting the fpsb pin back in the gun!!  That alone would have shaken me up!   

I sure enjoyed watching him shoot the little gun.  To me, seemed like another good review of a good pistol in a crowded market of excellent firearms, most of which were NOT hyped the way the P-10C was initially. 

Joe

[Earl Keese]

So is the problem with the slide lock the fact that it doesn't work as a slide release? If so, I don't see a problem at all. I do think Hickock's review was a little off. He shot the gun extremely well compared to his usual reviews, yet hardly commented on that fact. I'm no P-10C fanboy. I was excited initially, but CZ flubbing the product delivery/release brought me back to reality. IMHO, CZ set itself up for criticism with the big initial claims of "perfection improved", etc. The criticism is to be expected. I'll be waiting to see what CGW comes up with before I consider buying one. All that said, it doesn't look like the P-10 is languishing on the shelf, so good for CZ selling a new gun in a soft market. I like watching Hickock's reviews but can't say I rely on him for buying decisions.

[whrussell21]

People are judging him off his video but he shoots these pistols for days prior to even doing the video. The fact is people are butt hurt on these forums because he didn't come out and endorse the P-10 as great like he did the 509 and of course his glocks. I find it funny that the reviews like MAC, scootch, etc all received their "production" P-10 FDE's in Dec to keep free of charge. Kindof makes me wonder how unbiased their reviews really are about the P-10.

There is obviously something about the firearm that made hickok's overall point of view as average to good instead of good to great. CZ made a good striker but they set themselves up for failure by setting the bar so high and undelivering. I heard nothing but people saying this firearm was going to be great out of the box. Now all I see is people saying they can't wait for upgrades from CGW and CZC(it was even said in this thread). If that's the case then the P-10 is exactly the same as Glock because people are going to dump $100s in upgrades.

[Scarlett Pistol]

People are judging him off his video but he shoots these pistols for days prior to even doing the video. The fact is people are butt hurt on these forums because he didn't come out and endorse the P-10 as great like he did the 509 and of course his glocks. I find it funny that the reviews like MAC, scootch, etc all received their "production" P-10 FDE's in Dec to keep free of charge. Kindof makes me wonder how unbiased their reviews really are about the P-10.

There is obviously something about the firearm that made hickok's overall point of view as average to good instead of good to great. CZ made a good striker but they set themselves up for failure by setting the bar so high and undelivering. I heard nothing but people saying this firearm was going to be great out of the box. Now all I see is people saying they can't wait for upgrades from CGW and CZC(it was even said in this thread). If that's the case then the P-10 is exactly the same as Glock because people are going to dump $100s in upgrades.

BRROOOOOOO..... It seems like there's a misunderstanding. These are people who like Hickok's reviews, and just noticed things they thought were different/off from his other reviews. No one is coming to the defense of the P-10c being perfect and acting like "fanboys". We're all in the same community. Sure this is the CZ forum, but we're all part of the gun community and we don't need to start getting too up in arms at "P10 fanboys" for their observations.

I have absolutely no intent of getting the P-10c and I think CZ messed up on some things while creating too much hype. That being said, I did notice the differences others pointed out. I have watched Hickock for years and when he was hammering those long shots I remembered other guns he did that with and was expecting a similar response as he gave with those pistols. Sure he loves Glock, but that isn't the point members were bringing up. He just seems a little off and that can be from any number of reasons in his life that we all need not worry about.

We're all chillin here and the forum is full of members who love many brands and types of pistols. We aren't brand monogamous.  The only place that gets nit picky is the reloading sub-forum. Bring pure facts, ask clear questions, or suffer the wrath over there.

[Roikyou]

I've enjoyed Hickok45 reviews on an entertainment level for just about every gun he reviews or discusses. I've recently took the p10c to the range and shot it side by side with the glock 19. They're close, both have they're differences. Out of the box, the p10 trigger was better, shorter reset. I took it to the shop that I bought my 19 from and compared it to the p10 with the gunsmith that did the work on the trigger on the 19.  We just brought the pull down to 4lb, smoothed it out a little on the 19, that was it. The p10c was just a little better. The slide release was close to impossible to release unless you took some pressure off the slide (pull the slide a little while releasing). After shooting the p10c for a little bit, when I put the magazine in, the slide would release forward. Is it going to do this moving forward, don't know. I probably got a couple hundred rounds. I'm going to take it out by it's self, run 500 rounds through it and see how it does. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions or modify it, I still like it the way it is. I did put the night sights from czcustom on it, that's the only modification I'm going to do.