Hickok45 review of the P-10c

[BobcatAZ]

First of all , I would have to disagree by saying most of us are not butt hurt at all! While I enjoy Hickok's videos, to believe that he is any less biased than the other Youtube reviewers would be foolish. Do you really think any of the top YT "experts" are doing this as a public service? I reall don't understand the statement that CZ set themselves up for failure by setting the bar so high and undelivering. If the P10C is such a "failure" why are there so many people still looking for one to buy? Are there a couple minor issues that CZ needs to adress? Absolutely. As far as " everyone" can't wait for upgrades , there is a big difference between upgrades and just wanting to personalize ones firearm. I bought a P10C primarily because I feel Glocks quality has gone downhill since the introduction of the Gen 4's, especially the G19. Come on, 7 years later and they still have  BTF issues!  Watch Hickok45's G19 1000rd ammmo test and see how many hot cases bean him in the head without a word about it. Unbiased?

[1SOW]

About the pistol:  personally I wouldn't be satisfied with a NIB pistol that had rough edges like members here have cited on the P10.  I know it may be able to make it right,  but it didn't arrive "right".
About the review:  Considering the "Rough Edges",  I can respect less than glowing reports.  Send it to CGW and then send it to Hickok for review and maybe get a totally different review.

[bent valve]

I view Hickok 45 as entertainment more than a go to reviewer. But there was something wrong with his delivery on that video.
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[whrussell21]

First of all , I would have to disagree by saying most of us are not butt hurt at all! While I enjoy Hickok's videos, to believe that he is any less biased than the other Youtube reviewers would be foolish. Do you really think any of the top YT "experts" are doing this as a public service? I reall don't understand the statement that CZ set themselves up for failure by setting the bar so high and undelivering. If the P10C is such a "failure" why are there so many people still looking for one to buy? Are there a couple minor issues that CZ needs to adress? Absolutely. As far as " everyone" can't wait for upgrades , there is a big difference between upgrades and just wanting to personalize ones firearm. I bought a P10C primarily because I feel Glocks quality has gone downhill since the introduction of the Gen 4's, especially the G19. Come on, 7 years later and they still have  BTF issues!  Watch Hickok45's G19 1000rd ammmo test and see how many hot cases bean him in the head without a word about it. Unbiased?

I'm not saying he is unbiased. Never said he was but people are questioning why he didn't rant and rave about the P-10 even though he seemed to shoot it well. Even if he said the P-10 was the best thing since sliced bread it's really not going to make any difference to Glock or Glock owners. Until CZ gets the American plant up and running they obviously can't keep up the supply of P-10s especially once they actually start to ship to other countries.

I don't understand why it's even being compared to G19s. It has already failed in my eyes because the P-10 has Glock 19 capacity with the size of a G17 so it's already a no go for CCW in my eyes.

Every upgrade whether it's for Glocks or CZs is to personalize ones firearm. So I don't get how wanting upgrades to glocks is any different than wanting upgrades for CZs.

[ragingbulldaily]

For those that have watched Hickock45 and his videos for a while, you could tell something was off. The way he acted his fumbling, lack of happiness when shooting a firearm that was well on target. Overall demeanor was very noticeable. Surprising her didn't mention anything about the mag release, and actually said he liked the grip texture. Cheese grater was the best definition I've heard yet for the texture. His mind was somewhere else, everyone could tell that's watched his videos for a while. Just another opinion.

[TribeOfIdiots]

The past couple/few of his videos have seemed a bit "off".  He called both the 509 and the P10 "Sig", and didnt seem very engaged, despite claiming to like both pistols.  Maybe the ad revenue issue is making it seem more like work that isn't worth it anymore?  I dunno, just speculation, but something has changed, that much is obvious to any long-time viewer IMO.

[Earl Keese]

whrussel21- What gives you the impression that anybody here cares what Glock people think? Who says there's anything wrong with modifying Glocks? To me, regardless of what you do to them glocks feel cheap, but that's me. I have a buddy that wants one of each Glock ever made. He was all excited to show me his new one that's full of Zev parts with a funky machined slide. Yup, still feels cheap to me but I complimented him on it. Just like he compliments me when I show him a newly refurbed and cajunized surplus 75. Personally, I'm glad he enjoys his glocks. I'm happy for you that you're pleased with your 509, congrats.
 You seem awful wound up. Why, all because CZ enthusiasts are excited about a new CZ and talk about it on a CZ forum? Glock pioneered cheap boring plastic guns that work and continue to sell the same thing year after year. Now CZ is making and selling the same thing. I hope they sell a million of them, as long as I still get my metal framed CZ's.

[whrussell21]

whrussel21- What gives you the impression that anybody here cares what Glock people think? Who says there's anything wrong with modifying Glocks? To me, regardless of what you do to them glocks feel cheap, but that's me. I have a buddy that wants one of each Glock ever made. He was all excited to show me his new one that's full of Zev parts with a funky machined slide. Yup, still feels cheap to me but I complimented him on it. Just like he compliments me when I show him a newly refurbed and cajunized surplus 75. Personally, I'm glad he enjoys his glocks. I'm happy for you that you're pleased with your 509, congrats.
 You seem awful wound up. Why, all because CZ enthusiasts are excited about a new CZ and talk about it on a CZ forum? Glock pioneered cheap boring plastic guns that work and continue to sell the same thing year after year. Now CZ is making and selling the same thing. I hope they sell a million of them, as long as I still get my metal framed CZ's.

I'm not wound up at all but I have zero brand loyalty thus I am not biased. If I think a firearm is good regardless of brand I will use and carry it. My personal carry gun is a pro package P-01. I own/carry a gen 3 G19 and functionally I would trust it with my life but from current real world reviews I can't say the same for the P-10.

Some P-10 owners that have commented on the CZ forums about how perfect it is. They even comment on certain threads where verified issues have been stated/found and try to pawn the issue on something other than the P-10. This is why I brought up the Glock fanboy mentality as they do the same thing when Glocks have issues.

[Earl Keese]

I've had a G17 fail on me during a class. The instructors kept blaming me until finally they had to admit it was the gun. Then they mentioned it was a fairly common failure point. Blind faith in any brand or platform is silly. I'm not so much brand loyal, it's just that CZ makes products that I like. Funny thing, my buddy with the glocks shoots my CZ's better than he shoots his glocks, but he sticks with the glocks. He says it's because they "go bang every time". I've only had two (properly maintained) that didn't go bang every time. One was the aforementioned g17 and the other was a Stoeger Luger, go figure. They're just machines, and all machines will fail at some point. If the P10 proves to be a Glock by another name, I'll probably pass. If it proves to be something special, even if it requires cajunizing maybe I'll pick one up. As for Hickock, he makes a lot of entertaining videos. I think he's entitled to a substandard performance once in a while.

[Sooltauq]

FWIW, I think some of Hickok's comments at the start of his video are sage advice, which is that he really didn't want to do an early review before some experience in the pistol had been built up, and any early kinks worked out. I would have preferred myself that he had waited another six months to do a review and pick up a model that had been recently manufactured then.

Otherwise, his comments about the slide stop being almost impossible to release with one hand are hitting home -- out of the box, and not shot yet (I hope to get out tomorrow morning), the slide stop on my P10C is almost as if it is welded closed. I'm a big guy who weightlifts three times a week to try (emphasize try) to keep in shape, with big strong hands, and even with two hands it is hard to get the release to work. I can only hope that this is a temporary problem that eases up with use.

Finally, I also think he's right that ultimately it will be the price-point at which the P10C is sold that will determine if it is a commercial success. If it really does fall into the $450 range, that'll cause waves. Otherwise, it's just one of a half-dozen modern pistols that are very similar if not practically indistinguishable.

[Indy_Tim]

Hickock45 was definitely off of his game on that one.  His review of the P10C does not matter much to me, as I think it was pretty fair for a brand new type of gun, and he did shoot the thing well.  His last string on the gong was pretty darn good.  What I'm talking about was his mistaking the FN mag and gun for the P10.  I like Hickock45 and am assuming that he just had an off day.  I'm hoping that he just had an off day.  We all get tired and sometimes when we do what we love to do for a living, it can turn a perfectly good hobby into a drudge.  I really hope that is not happening with Hickock45.  It's always fun to watch him enjoy some really nice hardware but in that last one, he came across as being a bit tired.  I can understand that happening though, as he must feel a bit of pressure to run guns no matter how he's feeling at the time.

[Earl Keese]

Since everybody seems to be hung up on it, is it a slide stop or slide release? As a slide stop, it appears to work fine. Is it actually intended to be used for releasing the slide? Doesn't really matter to me, just curious.

[whrussell21]

Since everybody seems to be hung up on it, is it a slide stop or slide release? As a slide stop, it appears to work fine. Is it actually intended to be used for releasing the slide? Doesn't really matter to me, just curious.

Per the owners manual it refers to it as a slide stop and slide stop spring. It's universally known as a ambi slide release. They refer to the magazine release button as a magazine catch button in the owners manual.

[eastman]

Since everybody seems to be hung up on it, is it a slide stop or slide release? As a slide stop, it appears to work fine. Is it actually intended to be used for releasing the slide? Doesn't really matter to me, just curious.

According to the P-10 manual, it is a slide stop. There is no mention of it being used as a slide release.

[whrussell21]

Since everybody seems to be hung up on it, is it a slide stop or slide release? As a slide stop, it appears to work fine. Is it actually intended to be used for releasing the slide? Doesn't really matter to me, just curious.

According to the P-10 manual, it is a slide stop. There is no mention of it being used as a slide release.

They also call it a magazine catch button instead of magazine release button in the manual as well. I have never really heard of it referred to as a maginze catch button. They're universally known as slide release and magazine release. I fully assume it wasn't their intention to make it so stiff that it's almost impossible to release the slide. If so the P-10 will struggle with the LE market as personal experience I would want to be able to release the slide with one hand if needed.

Especially on duty in tight spaces or in the confines of an airplane but that would be my opinion from my experiences.