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Offline schmeky

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Close up of the P-10-C
« on: May 31, 2017, 09:40:05 PM »
We have dissected the P-10-C and have made some observations on the internals.  Peering inside the "lock work" reveals a very simple, but unique CZ approach to the striker gun.  Disassembly is quite simple, the only "trick" being a small spring loaded plunger block under the slide release bar. 

Of interest is the fact there is no sear or separate striker release.  The striker release is integral with the trigger bar and uses a simple kidney (like the 75 series lower barrel lug) to cam up and down.  The striker release is governed by a simple "disconnector" that is pictured and identified further down.  The striker release subsequently mates with the striker/firing pin.  The camming down of the trigger bar/striker release is what allows the striker/firing pin to travel to the primer for ignition.  Very simple.


This is the "disconnector" (think of the upper humps on the 75 series trigger bar or the disconnector used in the 1911).  This ensures the trigger bar/striker release operates only when the slide is fully in battery and prevents ignition unless the pistol is fully in battery.  Notice the rounded portion sticking out on the right, which makes contact with the slide rail and is constantly rubbing within the slide rail itself.



This is the forward frame support and slide lock unit.  Notice the little semi-square hole in the bottom.  This is where the tiny slide lock block pivots within the insert (more on this latter).  We feel this small block should have been made from steel and in our sample P-10-C this little block already shows some minor dinging. 


This is a snapshot of the other main parts in the P-10-C.  Of note is virtually everything is MIM (metal injection molded), and cast from either metal or plastic.  Of note on our sample CZ is the trigger measurements:  5 mm of pre-travel, 2 mm of creep before the break, about 3 mm's of over-travel, and we consistently measure a 6 lb. 6 oz. trigger pull.   In our shop we collectively agree the trigger can be uncomfortable.  The pivoting safety blade does not go flush with the trigger face and creates a sharp edge that could be annoying.


This part we like the least.  This is the small block that holds the spring loaded take-down lever in position.  It also has a coil spring under it to maintain tension.  We are already seeing damage to this from just taking it out.  Plan on seeing this replaced with a better part.


This is the striker assembly.  Of note is the fact CZ decided to utilize an internal firing pin/striker block, combined with the Glock style pivot in the trigger.  The striker block is contained in the plastic sleeve the striker rides in.   So this means there are 2 automatic safeties.  The very tip of the striker appears to have been contoured by hand (and on our sample was not concentric), which is surprising.  The striker retaining cups are plastic, which is fine. 


We like it, but we would like to see the 5 mm of pre-travel, 2 mm of creep, 3 mm of over-travel, and the rather stiff 6 lb. 6 oz. pull straightened out.   It is also nearly impossible to close the slide using the slide release.   We feel these can all be addressed.

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 12:22:22 AM »
Thanks for that, and the fact you are soo gay, I mean "precision oriented anal" O0!

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 02:55:10 PM »
Great information. Thanks

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2017, 03:23:05 PM »
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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 10:08:41 PM »
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We feel this small block should have been made from steel and in our sample P-10-C this little block already shows some minor dinging. 

Is this related with the reports of excessive force required to release the lock?

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 08:59:25 PM »
Even though the P10 doesn't interest me personally, this thread definitely does!

Curious to learn more

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2017, 02:18:32 PM »
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Is this related with the reports of excessive force required to release the lock

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No sir, the issue with the nearly impossible to release slide lock is based on the surface area contact between the slide lock on the rear of the slide lock bar and the slide itself, combined with recoil spring tension. 

There is not easy fix for this, although it can be alleviated.

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2017, 02:55:11 PM »
Great info since I want one.  You guys are awesome.  Thanks Schmeky!

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2017, 10:31:42 PM »
Thanks good info.
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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2017, 11:24:59 PM »
So can/will the issues pointed out eventually be resolved by CGW?
I had hoped the P-10C would be constructed with quality components like the other firearms in the CZ lineup.
Not too happy about the MIM parts

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2017, 08:41:07 AM »
MIM, done right, works perfectly and keeps costs in check.  MIM is used in automobile connecting rods, ring gears and pinions, etc.  Even the Corvette has MIM connecting rods. 

Yes, we have a lot of upgrades in the works, much shorter reset, crisper break, reduced pull weight, replacement of key parts with billet steel machined parts, etc.  Not to mention sights. 

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2017, 08:46:30 AM »
Awesome. So just keep an eye on the CGW website to know when those upgrades are available...?

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2017, 10:00:43 AM »
This is the first time I've seen someone with a 6lb 6oz pull, or anywhere near it. I was getting 5.5lb all day on arrival and it has continually smoothed out over since.

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2017, 04:44:02 PM »
MIM, done right, works perfectly and keeps costs in check.  MIM is used in automobile connecting rods, ring gears and pinions, etc.  Even the Corvette has MIM connecting rods. 

Yes, we have a lot of upgrades in the works, much shorter reset, crisper break, reduced pull weight, replacement of key parts with billet steel machined parts, etc.  Not to mention sights.
Sad that you have to do all that to make it right .

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Re: Close up of the P-10-C
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2017, 08:37:35 PM »
Schmeky,  I wish you were there for the Rem. R-1.   "One great pistol" with pathetic machining.  I would buy that pistol NOW if the relatively easy fixes could be done by CGW.

The P-10c sounds close to right for some.  I suspect the P-10 will be closer to being ready to shoot.