Load Testing: Alliant Sport Pistol powder

[George16]

Rather than starting a new thread, is the consensus still the same on Alliant Sport Pistol? I am almost out of N320 and given the volume that I shoot and the shortage of 4lb jugs of N320, I am open to trying out ASP, assuming it's as good as previously praised.

I reload for a 2011 .40S&W and 9mm for my CZs.

For me, yes. So much so that I bought 16 more pounds during the Black Friday sale  .

[Practical Shooter]

I ended up liking Sport Pistol very much. That's all I have been shooting since my original test, a year and a half ago, and 14000 rounds later.

[Earl Keese]

I'm still using it as well for my 9mm pistols and carbine, no plans to change.

[George16]

George,
Where did you purchase it? 

Right now, Brownells only have the 1# bottles available. However, they also have the 1 cent hazmat if you buy anything over $150. Then use discount code NCS to get $15 off plus free shipping.

If you buy 8 1# jugs, you should be paying $148.93 after using the discount code above.

Hope this helps.

[rg422]

I appreciate the responses.

I'm going to give this powder a try, based on the feedback. I sent out my Shadow 2's slide to Primary Arms for weight reduction and Trijicon SRO mounting, so it'll be a while til I can actually do load testing for this new setup.

Thanks.

[tdogg]

Right now, Brownells only have the 1# bottles available. However, they also have the 1 cent hazmat if you buy anything over $150. Then use discount code NCS to get $15 off plus free shipping.

If you buy 8 1# jugs, you should be paying $148.93 after using the discount code above.

Hope this helps.

Yep it does, thanks!  I was looking for 8lb jugs but with the $15 off, free hazmat, and shipping it was a good deal!  Just placed an order.

Cheers,
Toby

[Wobbly]

Based on information from Shooting Times and my own testing, I don't think Sport Pistol is going to pay any dividends in 38 Super. I have asked for information from Alliant, but have not received any reply. Their official web page shows only BE-86 for 38Super, and now I see why.

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/alliant-sport-pistol-powder/99181

Equipment
Caliber:  38Super
Bullets:  RMR 124gr JHP
Brass:    Mixed
Powder:  Alliant Sport Pistol
Max Velocity:  1012fps shown in non-Alliant data
Primer:  Federal #100
OAL:      1.200"
Pistol:    5" 1911
Qty:      10 rounds each, slow fired
Weather:  70F and clear
Chrono:  ProChrono DLX

Load      Avg Vel           SD
4.1gr           954              19
4.2             1004             21
4.3             1031             16
4.4             1040             07
4.5             Listed as Max Load

Notes
- Should be noted I had a lot of trouble with afternoon light. Errant shot data was deleted, so I believe these numbers to be realistic, even if they aren't "spot on".
- I do believe the Max Load to be at or below 4.5gr. Velocities were definitely leveling off.
- Accuracy and cleanliness was good
- Velocities were disappointing and barely on par with 9mm
- I cannot recommend this powder for 38Super.

 

[joedirt199]

This will be my gamer load for ACME 120 LFP coated

Sport Pistol 3.8 gr
OAL 1.04
1050 fps
ES 7
SD 3
Federal range pickup brass
Winchester primers

Shot from my P09
this load was stupid consistant over 5 rounds.

4 rounds touching and 1 1" away.

[Dan_69GTX]

This will be my gamer load for ACME 120 LFP coated

Sport Pistol 3.8 gr
OAL 1.04
1050 fps
ES 7
SD 3
Federal range pickup brass
Winchester primers

Shot from my P09
this load was stupid consistant over 5 rounds.

4 rounds touching and 1 1" away.

Not bad - 4 are touching when shot from 1" away!   

[joedirt199]

Real trick was fitting the chrony in there.

[Wobbly]

WARNING !

Based on my 38 Special testing today, it looks like Sport Pistol powder is position sensitive with loads less than 4.0/4.1gr when using using bullets seated beyond the case mouth. (This may not apply to DEWC bullets with their lower case volume.) If your Starting Loads take you into that load area, be cognizant of this and alert for Squibs.

If you must test in this range, then point the gun at the sky before each shot and possibly use a Magnum Primer.

 

[joejoe05]

Alliant's load data for Sport Pistol shows 124 gr ACME RN-NLG coated with an OAL of 1.050 and max charge of 3.9 grains, but I'm pretty sure this is based on the old ACME bullet profile and I have the newer profile bullet which I want to load at 1.100.

Does anyone have data with ACME's newer 124 grain bullet with Sport Pistol? I've done many searches and surprisingly couldn't find much specifically for 124gr coated and sport pistol (maybe because Alliant already provides it).

All else being the same in Alliant's testing, would the increase of OAL from 1.050 to 1.100 increase the max charge to roughly 4.0? 4.1? 4.2?

Alliant shows 1.050 OAL with max charge of 3.9 resulting in 1066 fps, which is 132 PF. I'm afraid that loading at 1.100 will reduce the PF to under 130 and I want to be around 132.

[George16]

Alliant's load data for Sport Pistol shows 124 gr ACME RN-NLG coated with an OAL of 1.050 and max charge of 3.9 grains, but I'm pretty sure this is based on the old ACME bullet profile and I have the newer profile bullet which I want to load at 1.100.

Does anyone have data with ACME's newer 124 grain bullet with Sport Pistol? I've done many searches and surprisingly couldn't find much specifically for 124gr coated and sport pistol (maybe because Alliant already provides it).

All else being the same in Alliant's testing, would the increase of OAL from 1.050 to 1.100 increase the max charge to roughly 4.0? 4.1? 4.2?

Alliant shows 1.050 OAL with max charge of 3.9 resulting in 1066 fps, which is 132 PF. I'm afraid that loading at 1.100 will reduce the PF to under 130 and I want to be around 132.

These are the two best loads I got when I did my load development with Acme 124 Gr RN and sport Pistol for my Shadow 2.

3.9 Gr sport pistol @ 1.086-1.089”OAL
- 1044
- 1042
- 1040
- 1054
- 1052
- 1045
- 1054 HIGH
- 1040 LO
- 1046 AVE
- 14.    ES
- 5.      SD
- 129.70 PF

4.0 Gr sport pistol @ 1.110-1.112” OAL
- 1068
- 1054
- 1057
- 1049
- 1051
- 1054
- 1057
- 1068  HIGH
- 1049  LO
- 1055  AVE
- 19      ES
-  6.      SD
- 130.82 PF


4.1 Gr  @ 1.110-1.112” OAL

- 1072
- 1067
- 1073
- 1057
- 1075
- 1064
- 1075 HI
- 1057 LO
- 1068 AVE
- 18    ES
- 6     SD
- 132.43 PF

I used the 4.1 Gr load when I shot production about six months until I started Shooting pcc, CO and open Major.

I like Acme because it’s cheap, accurate and also comes with a nice wooden box. I had since moved away from coated bullets (Acme, Blue and BBI) and now using PD JHP and RMR reloading Matchwinners. I use the JHP for my MPX and Czechmate while the RMR MW are for my X5, TSO and P226.

[tdogg]

So I got out and shot my first 9mm Sport Pistol load development.  I've burned about 12lbs of Sport Pistol in 40.  I actually haven't shot 9mm at all for some time.  My local club is trying to get a Steel Challenge match going so I am going to bring out the SP-01 Tactical and ring some steel!

Equipment:
Caliber:  9mm
Bullets:  Black and Blue 125gr Hitek Coated RN - Length = 0.591
Brass:  Winchester
Powder:  Alliant Sport Pistol (3.5 gr to 3.9 gr)
Max Velocity:  1066 fps
Primer:  Winchester Small Pistol
OAL:  1.075 inch
Seating Depth: 0.256
Pistol:  SP-01 Tactical
Qty:  10 rounds each, slow fired two groups of 5
Distance:  10 yd
Weather:  60F and windy, 5 PM light
Chrono:  Caldwell G1

Load (gr)     Avg Vel (fps)          ST Dev (fps)          Range (fps)         Spread (in)
3.5                996                         11.8                        28.5                       1.6
3.6                1018                       10.1                        24.5                       1.4
3.7                1035                         6.3                        16.0                       1.9
3.8                1054                         6.3                        15.0                       1.3
3.9                1072                         6.4                        16.5                       1.8  Max Load


Notes
• I had numerous strings where the 1st shot fired was low then the rest were touching or close to it.  I'm not sure if it was me but I haven't had this happen before.  I was really focusing on the trigger pull and trying to get accurate shots.
• This powder burned clean.
• I am going to load up at 3.8 gr for USPSA minor, the low ST Dev and accuracy was good at this charge.
• I didn't see any signs of pressure with any of these loads.

Cheers,
Toby

[Wobbly]

Great report. Thanks for filling in the 9mm with Lead gap.