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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2017, 10:01:19 PM »
Is this CZ  cheerleading section or just a bunch of Block Fanboys trying to talk themselves out of Blocks and into CZ's ????? Things that make you go , hmmmmmmm
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2017, 11:09:51 PM »
I love my CZ's. I have an SP-01 Tactical, RAMI 2075, and P-07 but it's still my Glock 19 on my nightstand because it goes bang. every. single. time.

There is definitely enough positive feedback for me to give buy the P10c a try. I'm just waiting for David to work his magic on it and then it will probably be my 4th CZ. Who knows? Maybe after enough rounds through it, I will feel confident enough in it to use it as my home defense pistol.
I keep my P-07 in my nightstand because of it's size and weight, but I'd bet my life on my SP-01 too. They also go bang every single time :)
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 11:13:47 PM »
I actually started the thread just stating how much I like the P10c I just bought ,nothing more nothing less
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2017, 11:35:17 PM »
All guns matter, so there. ;)


I have had two confirmed Glock guys try the P-10C, and both were very favorably impressed. Another one MAY be getting some trigger time tomorrow, and he's a BIG WIG with my outfit. Ah, I can dream, "We are announcing our transition from the Glock 19 to the CZ P-10C over the next six months..." Ah, would be nice, but not likely, not until the gun has some time on the ranges and holsters of America. Then, THEN we strike!  ;D 8)

As it is I carry the G19 at work and in 15 years of using it I have had three Glocks fail either in my hand or in front of me. Nothing wrong with the guns, just Dept. range guns used for qualification, and they get beat like you have never seen beat, so, like anything, they can and will fail. I had six HK USP pistols on the rental shelf when they came out - one year later only one was left, all the other went back for repair work. Had a SIG P-230 fall apart on the firing line, and a several others of the short time I worked there. Nothing like being a range rental gun to find out how long it will last. BTW, we had a Jennings 9mm pistol added to the rental shelf once - it lasted less than two days.

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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2017, 03:07:42 PM »
All guns matter, so there. ;)


I have had two confirmed Glock guys try the P-10C, and both were very favorably impressed. Another one MAY be getting some trigger time tomorrow, and he's a BIG WIG with my outfit. Ah, I can dream, "We are announcing our transition from the Glock 19 to the CZ P-10C over the next six months..." Ah, would be nice, but not likely, not until the gun has some time on the ranges and holsters of America. Then, THEN we strike!  ;D 8)

As it is I carry the G19 at work and in 15 years of using it I have had three Glocks fail either in my hand or in front of me. Nothing wrong with the guns, just Dept. range guns used for qualification, and they get beat like you have never seen beat, so, like anything, they can and will fail. I had six HK USP pistols on the rental shelf when they came out - one year later only one was left, all the other went back for repair work. Had a SIG P-230 fall apart on the firing line, and a several others of the short time I worked there. Nothing like being a range rental gun to find out how long it will last. BTW, we had a Jennings 9mm pistol added to the rental shelf once - it lasted less than two days.

Shouldn't that be "lasted less than 2 boxes"?
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2017, 03:49:31 PM »
This was the first day shooting a brand new CZP10c,these were brisk shots
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 05:25:07 PM »
This was the first day shooting a brand new CZP10c,these were brisk shots

That's the same results I get.


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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 07:41:07 PM »
Glock has 65% of the LE market, but I think the Sig P320 may make serious inroads.  Unfortunately, I've never seen a CZ in an LEO holster, but that doesn't mean they're bad.  Many other countries use them extensively.  I recently switched from Glock to CZ because I really like the DA/SA, even though I have a lot of experience in shooting and carrying a Glock I never totally trusted the Glock safe-action trigger...  I think the CZ 10c is a good choice, as for me it was the CZ P-07...

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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2017, 10:07:21 PM »
This was the first day shooting a brand new CZP10c,these were brisk shots

Congratulations! Good shooting!

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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2017, 01:46:33 PM »
Glock has 65% of the LE market, but I think the Sig P320 may make serious inroads.  Unfortunately, I've never seen a CZ in an LEO holster, but that doesn't mean they're bad.  Many other countries use them extensively.  I recently switched from Glock to CZ because I really like the DA/SA, even though I have a lot of experience in shooting and carrying a Glock I never totally trusted the Glock safe-action trigger...  I think the CZ 10c is a good choice, as for me it was the CZ P-07...

Here is the thing too, police departments and even government contracts (probably very obvious on this one) don't always pick the "BEST" gun, whatever the definition of best is.  However, as a former naval aviator and later contractor in Afghanistan, I worked with SF types, both active and contract, have some good friends in the Teams.  They have money and can pick whatever they want when it comes to firearms (though when active, sometimes under the table).  Granted, the handgun is a secondary weapon, truly meant to fight your way back to you rifle.  The one common gun that is used, seen, in a holster on their person is almost always a Glock.  A good reason for it, it is a gun that works.  It doesn't anything great but does everything good.  Never have I seen a CZ of any time down range....I saw Sigs, XD's with Croatia only, HK,  M9's of course and Glocks, many, many Glocks.  It is the go to gun.

With that said, I am a fan of CZ's, have owned a few now, including the P07 and P07, the P01 and the CZ 97.  All great guns and never a malfunction between them, ever.  The P07 was probably my fav of those but they are all gone, replaced with what I think is probably my new favorite polymer handgun, the CZ P10C.  Of course it is very Glock like, fits in every one of my Glock holsters.  Police departments and maybe military units may move to it, I don't know.  I actually now have two CZ P10C's though one is already back at CZ for malfunctioning, it is a new design after all.   

I used to say if I was back flying in the military or had an option as a contractor, the G19 would hands down be my gun but as an aviator, if I'm using my handgun, the $hit has hit the fan.  The enemy has either come over, through or under the gate, or worse, my aircraft is down.  But the P10C might be my choice now, maybe.  I think it is an evolved Glock...better ergo's, trigger but keeping in the tradition of a lighter weight in a smaller package.  The G19 is amazingly size efficient, its best quality in my opinion.  The P10C is slightly larger but doable.  Anyway, I won't ever move away from my Glock 17 and 19's, great guns, but I will add to them.  Reason I have Sigs, HK, CZ, Walther, etc in my collection.  And I do love this P10C, having one on me now, as I go to lunch in an Incog IWB holster made for the G19...fits perfect!

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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2017, 01:11:28 AM »
Well put. :) I heard the CZ design was very popular in Israel for years, and in several places in Europe, but secondhand knowledge - never been there.
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2017, 09:53:11 PM »
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I love my CZ's. I have an SP-01 Tactical, RAMI 2075, and P-07 but it's still my Glock 19 on my nightstand because it goes bang. every. single. time.

As another has said, I have several pistols that have performed similarly. Every time the trigger is pulled. Glock doesn't have the market cornered on reliability anymore, like it or not. Now almost all major manufacturers likely show no statistically significant reliability "edge." Hell even Turkish CZ patterned pistols and Philippine 1911 clones are often known as dead nuts reliable. I have had two rock island armory 1911s that have never failed in many thousands of rounds. I paid but a pittance for them. Plus many DO in fact shot non-glocks much better, myself included

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Never have I seen a CZ of any time down range

Israeli defense force used CZ patterned pistol exclusively for many years and through some minor conflicts. To be fair, were I to go downrange again and I had a choice of sidearms it would be hard to pick anything over a Glock 19. I think the equation changes when you have to go to harsh environments and maintenance is not routine. The reason for this choice is mostly armorer support should a part break. I know parts for a glock will be laying around. A cz P07? Yeah no. Honestly, while a Glock may be my first choice, I wouldn't be nervous with my P07. Or a loose 1911 ala RIA.
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2017, 11:05:10 PM »
Well I ran about 400 rounds through my P10c at the range cleaned her up and little and attempted to shoot a 5 stage rifle pistol match this weekend,on one stage I had failures to go into battery 4 times and then couldn't get the mag out of the gun without racking slide and giving it all I had with the mag release,buddy noticed that it looked like my back plate was dropping down during my failure to go into battery problem.I figured it was just a fluke,I'm shooting the same ammo that has been problem free up to this point,next two stages were more of the same,failure to return to battery,mag not ejecting than a frozen/dead trigger.Took some gorilla tape and taped the backing plate so it couldn't drop and oiled the mag release some more.no more issues then I switched back to my G9 for remainder of match which ran perfect .Gonna have to give this P10c a little more time but if this is the future with this pistol it might be gone soon.At the range during slow concentrated firing its smooth,accurate and problem free,but it seemed to act up during fast paced shooting .Ill get back to y'all after I step back and figure out what's going wrong .
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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2017, 07:32:01 AM »
Well I ran about 400 rounds through my P10c at the range cleaned her up and little and attempted to shoot a 5 stage rifle pistol match this weekend,on one stage I had failures to go into battery 4 times and then couldn't get the mag out of the gun without racking slide and giving it all I had with the mag release,buddy noticed that it looked like my back plate was dropping down during my failure to go into battery problem.I figured it was just a fluke,I'm shooting the same ammo that has been problem free up to this point,next two stages were more of the same,failure to return to battery,mag not ejecting than a frozen/dead trigger.Took some gorilla tape and taped the backing plate so it couldn't drop and oiled the mag release some more.no more issues then I switched back to my G9 for remainder of match which ran perfect .Gonna have to give this P10c a little more time but if this is the future with this pistol it might be gone soon.At the range during slow concentrated firing its smooth,accurate and problem free,but it seemed to act up during fast paced shooting .Ill get back to y'all after I step back and figure out what's going wrong .

This mod to you back plate should fix your issue with failure to go into battery.
The center of the plate is already chamfered. Just remove it and add bevels like this so it will cam back into place should it move down while firing.



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Re: From 25 years of Glocks to CZ P10c
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2017, 11:55:44 PM »
I would be willing to bet that most Glock fanboys have never shot a CZ or they would be hooked as well.

Not quite right in your opinion.  I am a Glock fanboy but have shot and owned many in my stable, including Glocks, Sigs, HK, Walhter, CZ, etc.  My go to gun will always be my G19 but this CZ P10C is closing the gap.  Glocks owns it in size and weight, CZ owns it in ergo's and trigger.  Different storkes for different folks.  But I am a true shooter, I shoot a lot.  Common theme I hear is when I bring a gun in, is what did you break now...I show a lot.  I see guys shoot 50 rounds and walks away.  Ill shoot 500 on a light day and walk away.  Anyway, this Glock fan boy knows plenty of other G fanboys who shot plenty of other guns.
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