Author Topic: Done with the NRA -- NRA wants to ban bumpfire stocks & other near f/a devices  (Read 4585 times)

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Offline John A.

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Of course it will.  That was always the plan.

Incrementalism.

One restriction at a time until they've eaten the whole elephant.

Only thing is, this would still have the rule of law, without due process.
When people ignorant of guns make gun laws, you end up with ignorant gun laws.

Offline SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM

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And if we allow them to ban things without the legislative process the possibilities are endless and not just for firearms. Yikes this kind of thinking and action should never be allowed.

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   The NRA/ILA is the ONLY pro gun Organization the Anti's/Liberals/Democrats TRULY fear.

   Support is mandatory if we want to keep or 2nd Amendment Rights as well as fix inequities and expand our rights.

   I'm hoping the plan to Bomb the NRA with donations, on March 24th, the day of the Anti's big March....REALLY raises some cash as well as pisses off the Anti's. We HAVE to support the NRA. They may not be perfect,  but they are our best ally.

  I can care less about the silly bump stocks. A worthless item IMHO.

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The last legislation that intended to ban bump stocks didn't even mention them, that should scare you, because that is what the next one will look like; all supported by Trump and the NRA.

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I can care less about the silly bump stocks. A worthless item IMHO.

And THAT is when we start losing.

The NRA isn't going to get a dime from me.  This is their doing.

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Well all the money in the world ain’t Savin the NRA.

Their hubris and untenable positions have finally done them in.

Good riddance to them.

Anyone who was a member in the 70’s and 80’s knows what they once truly stood for and also knows what a shill organization they are today.
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Offline John A.

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I remember.

All too well unfortunately.

I think right now, bump stocks and AWB's are part of the NRA's negotiations in order to get their pet legislation, reciprocal CCW passed.

That is my honest opinion about it.

NRA has lobbied for years to get reciprocal carry passed and at this time, there is serious talk about combining the bills, which would include that, fix nics, and probably some form of scary gun and regular capacity magazine bans.
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And the division we are seeing among us is making the liberals giddy.

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I remember.

All too well unfortunately.

I think right now, bump stocks and AWB's are part of the NRA's negotiations in order to get their pet legislation, reciprocal CCW passed.

That is my honest opinion about it.

NRA has lobbied for years to get reciprocal carry passed and at this time, there is serious talk about combining the bills, which would include that, fix nics, and probably some form of scary gun and regular capacity magazine bans.

Agreed.  I am all for full reciprocity.
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And the division we are seeing among us is making the liberals giddy.

IMO, labeling discussion and healthy disagreement as divisive do all sides a disservice.

The NRA is in its current form is a largely disingenuous organization that seems only interested in a one sided victory. 

A very, very well esteemed lawyer colleague often said that the most successful negotiation/mediation was one in which both parties left the table a little unhappy, not getting everything they want. 
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And the division we are seeing among us is making the liberals giddy.

 

A very, very well esteemed lawyer colleague often said that the most successful negotiation/mediation was one in which both parties left the table a little unhappy, not getting everything they want.

That saying has been around for years and it is not reality.
We have given the anti gun crowd too much for too long and every time we go to the table WE lose something else.
Give them nothing more ever.period.
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That saying has been around for years and it is not reality.
We have given the anti gun crowd too much for too long and every time we go to the table WE lose something else.
Give them nothing more ever.period.

Agreed.

We have a Pro Gun House.  We have a Pro Gun Senate.  We have a President with an A+ rating from the NRA.  Why should we be giving up anything? 

Why is the NRA making Trump give up "Rate Increasing Devices?"  Why does an A+ rated President say that it's good he needs to fight the NRA?  Why does the NRA A+ rated President say that the left doesn't need to be afraid of the NRA?  Why does the President want to give the police the power to immediately take guns away from citizens without due process?

OPEN YOUR EYES.

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That saying has been around for years and it is not reality.
We have given the anti gun crowd too much for too long and every time we go to the table WE lose something else.
Give them nothing more ever.period.

Agreed.

We have a Pro Gun House.  We have a Pro Gun Senate.  We have a President with an A+ rating from the NRA.  Why should we be giving up anything? 

Why is the NRA making Trump give up "Rate Increasing Devices?"  Why does an A+ rated President say that it's good he needs to fight the NRA?  Why does the NRA A+ rated President say that the left doesn't need to be afraid of the NRA?  Why does the President want to give the police the power to immediately take guns away from citizens without due process?

OPEN YOUR EYES.

And it is these unreasonable and inflexible positions that will doom any efforts by reasoned minds to strike a FAIR AND SENSIBLE compromise.

The slippery slope argument holds no water.
It is coming, get used to  it.

REASONABLE LEGISLATION IS THE FUTURE
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Offline John A.

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FAIR AND SENSIBLE COMPROMISE ?

Those words strung together like that sounds like something your spouses attorney would say during a divorce proceeding.

And I don't really like lawyers anyway.
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When people ignorant of guns make gun laws, you end up with ignorant gun laws.

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FAIR AND SENSIBLE COMPROMISE ?

Those words strung together like that sounds like something your spouses attorney would say during a divorce proceeding.

And I don't really like lawyers anyway.

And in that divorce mediation the way both parties get a bit of what they want and neither comes out bloody is just that:

A FAIR AND SENSIBLE COMPROMISE.

Some choose to take unreasonable positions and say my way or the highway.

That party almost always comes away bitter and battered no matter.

Those who take extreme positions and never find any level of compromise are truly the saddest and most bitter people around.

FAIR AND REASONABLE ARE NOT DIRTY WORDS TO SANE AND RATIONAL PEOPLE.

I would venture to say I have been party to a great many more mediations and litigation then many on here.

Stubborn and unreasonable people almost always at some point go down in flames and cut their noses off to spite their face.

I have seen it hundreds of times.

If you bend, you don't break.

As i type all this it all seems so simple, but lest i forget that there are around 20-25 million people stuck in the stone ages.

Opinions however are like butt holes.

Everyone has one and most are stinky.


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