P-10 first impressions..yikes

[MRblack06]

So, as the title says, I'd like to give my first impressions of my newly acquired P-10, which I picked up today. And boy oh boy...was I in for some serious disappointment. Took it home, broke it down and removed all the factory lube and what not and made sure it was nice and clean and properly lubricated. Went to the store to pick up some ammo and hit the range. First round fired: malfunction, failure to eject. Not a good first impression. Out of the first 15 rounds I fired, at LEAST 7 of them were failures to eject. This happened so many times that I literally lost count. Slide failed to lock back time and time again on the last round. I also experienced several double feeds. Trigger: gritty, heavy and all around feels like trash compared another P-10 I had the opportunity to handle recently. Also, the gun shoots quite a bit lower than point of aim. I wouldn't hesitate to blame myself in a situation like this normally, especially with a new-to-me gun, but I brought my P-07 with me to the range and was grouping just as good if not better than usual at 15 meters. After running ~170 rounds through it, it was still having failures to eject, double feeds and failing to lock to the rear. All in all, I'm not even close to impressed with this gun, especially based on my expectations. Never will I have the confidence to carry it, which is what I was hoping I could work up to after becoming familiar with it. Some might say it's in it's break in period, but I can't give the amount of malfunctions I had today a pass based on that. This particular gun is no good, thats all there is to say. 

[armoredman]

Ouch! Have you called CZ-USA yet? 1-800-955-4486? That one needs to go back.

[MRblack06]

I haven't had the opportunity yet. I picked it up from my FFL around 4 today. Took it home, did some homework, and then went to the range. It's the first thing on my list of stuff to do tomorrow morning, I cant believe this thing ran the way it did. Thankfully, I've heard that CZ's customer service is top notch so I have no doubt they'll take care of me, just extremely disappointed.

[copemech]

what ammo?

[MRblack06]

Just some regular old Federal 115 grain. I always buy the same thing when I'm going to the range, been using it in my P-07 for a while now with no issues. I typically inspect the ammo before I use it as well, seemed fine as usual.

[diernosaj]

Ouch! Have you called CZ-USA yet? 1-800-955-4486? That one needs to go back.

This.  The gun is not right.  Let CZ make it right.  Ive seen them do it once on the P10 already with somebody else.  Its unfortunate.  I'm having the complete opposite experience.  It truly is a very nice gun. 

[earlan357]

Could need break in, but from what you're describing, it sounds like a lemon. 

Unfortunately, P10s needing a little break-in isn't uncommon.  I blame the rough black oxide coating that CZ puts on all the internals and barrel.  I can expect a tightly fitted 1911 to require break in, but not a polymer pistol.  Neither of my P10s needed break in to run right, but my buddies was choking nearly every magazine and the trigger was pretty gritty.  He removed all the factory lube and worked the slide and dry-fired for an evening.  We also lightly polished the barrel feed ramp and now it runs like a sewing machine.  I love the P10C but I would have gladly paid $50 more to have the critical contact/wear points addressed at the factory. 

[MRblack06]

I would have gladly paid $50 more to have the critical contact/wear points addressed at the factory.

This too^^^. Was pretty surprised when I broke it down the first time to see there was no polished feed ramp, must have missed that in the 10 million videos I've watched over the past few months. Im gonna contact them in the next couple hours after I take care of some things and see what they tell me. I want to believe I'm just spoiled by my P-07 but I know thats not the case haha. If it IS break in related, these things have a very rough break in. Hard to believe though after so many testimonials, including the one from the guys at Fort Scott Munitions running almost 6000 round through theirs non stop, no cleaning or lube added before the first malfunction. Supposedly fired 10,000 rounds and that was their only malfunction..

[MRblack06]

Well, I just got off the phone with CZ. They would like for me to try and use some different ammo through it before sending it in, a request I guess I could entertain, just not sure it's worth it after putting nearly 200 rounds through it thus far. Any suggestions before I send her in? Already inspected the Extractor and Ejector per CZ, my grip doesn't interfere with the slide lock because I got small hands and my thumbs don't sit that high and I know for sure I don't have any issues limp-wristing or I'd probably be having the same problems with my other guns too.

[Indy_Tim]

Wow, sorry to hear of the bad experience out of the box.  I had a similar experience with a Glock 19 a couple of years back.  It was short stroking and I could not get through a mag without at least 3 failures.  In that case, I was able to get it to run by buying a guide rod and running a softer spring.  Eventually, it broke itself in and I could run the factory spring with no issues.  Still, it killed the enthusiasm for a gun that I had high hopes for.  Hopefully, CZ makes it right for you.  When running as designed, they are fantastic pistols.

[StuckonGlocks21]

I?ve never had trouble with the inexpensive range ammo like the federal or Winchester white box. As long as it?s powerful enough to reliably cycle the slide, it runs in mine. That?s all factory ammo that I?ve fired through it. The only ammo I?ve had trouble with was my own hand loads when I was working up light target loads. Winchester NATO 124 FMJ was the best so far. Very robust cycling and accurate. Try some of that if you can find it.


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[DOC 1500]

Well, I just got off the phone with CZ. They would like for me to try and use some different ammo through it before sending it in, a request I guess I could entertain, just not sure it's worth it after putting nearly 200 rounds through it thus far. Any suggestions before I send her in? Already inspected the Extractor and Ejector per CZ, my grip doesn't interfere with the slide lock because I got small hands and my thumbs don't sit that high and I know for sure I don't have any issues limp-wristing or I'd probably be having the same problems with my other guns too.

Just tell them a couple hours after you spoke with them you put a couple hundred rounds of factory self defense ammo and it was doing the same thing ask him for an RA number return authorization or whatever they do and send it back. Tell them to make it right.

[MRblack06]

It's taken care of. I debated waiting to try something else and I decided against it, regardless of whether the operation would have somehow improved. They work fast, I've already been approved to send it back for warranty work and received a shipping label from fedex via email. Tomorrow I'll most likely be packaging it up and sending it off.

[jimjc]

Well that's a shame, I know how you feel, not with my P10c it's been perfect but with a S&W I had, like yours right from the start it gave me fits but S&W came through took it in and returned it 100% perfect. And I used that gun for years without a hiccup.

Even so it was a real let down for a new gun. My bet is CZ will put it right and all this will be forgotten sooner rather than later. Good Luck.

[DOC 1500]

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=91222.0
In this thread I believe a guy had the same trouble and sent it back and recently got it back to him contact him and ask him how long it took and how the gun is now. I believe CZ had it for 3 weeks