I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...

[DOC 1500]

When I first bought a Springfield XD mod 2, I went on the Springfield forum and they told me with striker-fired pistols you should use snap caps when dry firing.
They said it was not a good idea to dry fire Striker pistols. I don't know proof positive but that's what they told me

[armoredman]

I have been told that striker fired firing pins breaking has been endemic of all brands of striker fired pistols. I don't know, only firing pin I ever had break was on CzechpointUSA 5.56mm vz-58.

[DOC 1500]

If the firing pin is not striking the primer of a cartridge,  then it's got to be smacking something.
Firing pin retaining pin??
Why do we use an O-ring between the hammer and the firing pin?

[badwrench]

And the beat goes on. Seems like every time a new handgun is introduced there are issues some perceived some real. Not sure what this one is but time will tell. In the mean time, I will continue to put rounds down range on my P-10 and as long as it continues to function flawlessly, I will carry it every day.

As a follow up to this post, my gunsmith called me today to say that he took my P-10 to the range to test fire it and when he pulled the trigger the round did not fire. After further inspection, he found that the tip of the striker had broker off. I immediately called CZ-USA and they are mailing me a new striker in the morning. CZ-USA was not aware of why this happened but did not feel it was due to dry firing. I am now wondering if it has anything to due with the so called "fatal flaw". Would be interested in know what some of you think.

I doubt it.. If I had to guess, I'd say it is a possible heat treat problem, The firing pins are too hard/brittle..check the leg of the striker, if it's chipped, that's telling you that the striker leg is rotating enough to hit the frame when the slide returns to battery, that's the fatal flaw.. But since this is a broken tip, I suspect a heat treat issue.

[cremaley]

And the beat goes on. Seems like every time a new handgun is introduced there are issues some perceived some real. Not sure what this one is but time will tell. In the mean time, I will continue to put rounds down range on my P-10 and as long as it continues to function flawlessly, I will carry it every day.

As a follow up to this post, my gunsmith called me today to say that he took my P-10 to the range to test fire it and when he pulled the trigger the round did not fire. After further inspection, he found that the tip of the striker had broker off. I immediately called CZ-USA and they are mailing me a new striker in the morning. CZ-USA was not aware of why this happened but did not feel it was due to dry firing. I am now wondering if it has anything to due with the so called "fatal flaw". Would be interested in know what some of you think.

I doubt it.. If I had to guess, I'd say it is a possible heat treat problem, The firing pins are too hard/brittle..check the leg of the striker, if it's chipped, that's telling you that the striker leg is rotating enough to hit the frame when the slide returns to battery, that's the fatal flaw.. But since this is a broken tip, I suspect a heat treat issue.

I did speak with CZ-USA warranty service today and asked again about the cause of the striker tip breaking off and they also believe its a heat treat problem. They said there had been a small number of P-10 strikers effected by this problem and promised to get to the bottom of it. In the mean time, my replacement striker was mailed to me today and I should have it by early next week.

[StuckonGlocks21]

First and foremost there has been no redesign of the slide cover plate and I was told that with all the CZP-10C's sold, less than 1 percent have been returned to some kind of warranty work.

I?m not sure what CZ calls a ?redesign?. Perhaps a mould update? Anyway, this is from a C386xxx P10C.



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[armoredman]

Shipping grease most likely, and yes, that does look like a "mold update" prompted by members work here working on their own slide covers... Wonder if previous purchasers will be offered the upgraded part.

[StuckonGlocks21]

Shipping grease most likely, and yes, that does look like a "mold update" prompted by members work here working on their own slide covers... Wonder if previous purchasers will be offered the upgraded part.

They should be. Very little cost. Just a few cents. That mod is all it takes to prevent the issue. No one would be talking about a fatal flaw if they had this slide cover.


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[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Is this a pic of a factory fresh P10c?   If so, Yuck.  That bandaid is full of puss. It does nothing to help hold the pieces up in the slide What so ever!

Gee looks like CZ is working to remedy the issues. Good for them! Just can't help crying though huh?

[Joe L]

I just trimmed my cover plate lower side and notches until it didn't contact the rear insert as I pushed down on the cover plate and slowly moved the slide forward to the locked battery position.  I had to take a little more off than earlan357 did but there is no way it can catch on the insert now.  CZ's fix with the slope should work well also, and not leave a gap like mine does.  I'll try it this morning, but I expect the gun to continue to run just fine. 

Joe
 

[StuckonGlocks21]

I just trimmed my cover plate lower side and notches until it didn't contact the rear insert as I pushed down on the cover plate and slowly moved the slide forward to the locked battery position.  I had to take a little more off than earlan357 did but there is no way it can catch on the insert now.  CZ's fix with the slope should work well also, and not leave a gap like mine does.  I'll try it this morning, but I expect the gun to continue to run just fine. 

Joe

I in no way was trying to insult your HOME remedy. I did something very similar to mine but it wasn't enough to "FIX" the overall problem with it.
I hope it is enough to keep yours running and gunning, .

As to the CZites, You guys sure are quick to bash some people. Heck , all I did was ask if this was a new updated part from CZ in a different kind of way.  I want to see a REAL "FIX" from CZ also, not just a cough drop for the Flu.

Maybe it?s just me...but this isn?t a cough drop for the flu or a temporary fix. This is not a $2000 target pistol. It?s a $500 or less self defense pistol. If it solves the problem of the plate moving down and causing the slide to stop out of battery, it?s fixed. They don?t have to come up with an expensive slide replacement, just a way to keep the slide plate from catching on the slide. It?s a much better fix than my hand filed plate. ALL it has to do is keep the pistol running. That?s it. I?m far more concerned with the firing pin tips breaking. Who knows if there is a serial number range for the affected firing pins or not?
I do believe they should step up and make extra plates for all the pistols that don?t have the update. Same for firing pins. Figure out the problem, fix it, send out replacements. Done.
Remember, Glocks have issues too there were changes made and life goes on. Hopefully.



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[Joe L]

No gun problems this morning with the P-10C, only shooter problems. 



Took me a few rounds to make the transition from the Kadet 90 round bullseye practice session, but this is a good timed fire target result (95-0x) for a service gun, 25 yards, single hand standing, five shots in 20 seconds, twice, open sights.  I did shoot a 98 and and a 99 with the Kadet before this, so it was a much better day for me than during the week last week.   

I'm having the same difficulty transitioning to the P-10C as I did with the P-09 and P-07.  The polymer gun triggers are so different from a 75 or 97 that I struggle with it some initially.  This is bullseye symptom mainly, not so big a deal two handed or from a rest. 

I probably won't try a bullseye match with the P-10C until I put a red dot on it.  I'm working on it. 

Joe

[armoredman]

I wish my good targets looked as "bad" as yours.

[dwhitehorne]

Joe a little off topic but if I shot that group one handed at 25 yards in minutes let alone seconds I'd be doing some cart wheels. I wonder if the sight picture limits the ability for tight groups at further distances.   David

[Joe L]

I wonder if the sight picture limits the ability for tight groups at further distances.   David

For me, the open sights were a limitation on Sunday.  For some people who practice with open sights all the time, not so much of a limitation.  I zeroed this one for a center x ring hold at 25.  Most real bullseye shooters zero for a bottom of the bullseye hold at 25 or 50 yards with open sights and work from there rather than try to cover half the bullseye with the front sight.  I've spent less than 5% of my time with open sights over the last 4 years so I struggle with it.  When I was shooting open sights only and two handed, I could tighten up these groups a bunch. 

Also, with a new gun and new trigger, I can't execute a perfect trigger pull every shot yet.  I had a couple of targets before this one with some hits out of the black.  That is trigger pull error.  At 50 yards I was nervous about even trying that distance single handed until I learned the trigger, and the sights were off when I started because I had zeroed two handed instead of single, it was a disaster.  Very similar to what happened when I first got the P-07 with open sights after shooting the 97 with a red dot for a year. 

Now back to the P-10C discussion.  We've hijacked this thread enough.   

Joe