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Offline Str8t-Shooter

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2017, 08:19:36 AM »
Thanks for the pics!  At least it appears that CZ is making changes based on current issues.

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2017, 09:55:34 AM »
Thanks for the pics!  At least it appears that CZ is making changes based on current issues.

Yes the pics are welcome, more telling than just text descriptions.
It is good to see them making subtle changes to parts that the R&D of CZ should have caught in their Extensive Testing?
I'm ducking already waiting for the incoming!
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2017, 12:47:27 PM »
Well, now that CZ has a fix, let's see if they take the next step....Put out a recall notice and retrofit all P-10c's that don't have this..Free of charge..

I sold my P-10 to a board member here, frankly, I've been switching to DA/SA/LEM type trigger as a edc, as I think they're safer to carry, maybe in a year or so I'll give the P-10 another look, by that time, CZ should have all the fleas off of it..
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2017, 02:46:27 PM »
Well, another 200 rounds down today.

I'm 1650 and 0. Again, maybe I got lucky but this pistol has been incredible for me and absolutely living up to the hype. Best of luck to the rest of you!

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My P10C is kind of an early one. C185xxx and the slide plate was not ramped. It does have a recess for the striker thingy.


I think it was the horn honker that implied in another thread that the striker plate didn?t have a recess to keep it from dropping down and jamming the slide open. And that ramping the slide plate was a temporary fix. BS. Does the horn honker even have a P10C? Maybe someone with an earlier serial no than mine can comment.
Anyway, from what I?ve seen, there is no updated striker assembly, just a ramped slide cover plate. That?s all it really takes to fix the ?fatal flaw? news that is spreading like fake news in a presidential election.
I can?t see sending mine back to CZ to have something replaced that I can do in ten seconds.


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My P10C is kind of an early one. C185xxx and the slide plate was not ramped. It does have a recess for the striker thingy.


I think it was the horn honker that implied in another thread that the striker plate didn?t have a recess to keep it from dropping down and jamming the slide open. And that ramping the slide plate was a temporary fix. BS. Does the horn honker even have a P10C? Maybe someone with an earlier serial no than mine can comment.
Anyway, from what I?ve seen, there is no updated striker assembly, just a ramped slide cover plate. That?s all it really takes to fix the ?fatal flaw? news that is spreading like fake news in a presidential election.
I can?t see sending mine back to CZ to have something replaced that I can do in ten seconds.


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Honk Honk,
Mine is of the C214xxx variety, And sad to say I didn't take any pics at all of it before it went to CZ.
Though mine looked the same as you yours,
except I beveled the lead edge of my slide cover similar to what is being shown from CZ now and it didn't help mine.  At last round holdopen it was about to drop right out the bottom of the slot a few times randomly over the course of a few boxes of ammo.  The Striker pin case was dropping down and rotating in it's channel and disengaging the cover I believe.
  To be Honest about the whole thing, I just have a hard time grasping the idea that these parts have absolutely nothing to hold them up into the slide to begin with and that there are so many samples of them that are running just fine anyway. :o
  I didn't want to send mine back either.   I've always done most of the work or repairs on lots of stuff I've owned.
 OH Well, Honk Over. 
 
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #111 on: November 13, 2017, 12:14:57 AM »
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...That?s all it really takes to fix the ?fatal flaw? news that is spreading like fake news in a presidential election..

And just like that, I get the mental image f that person from MSNBC news again...:D

Well done pictures, sir, thanks for sharing!

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My P10C is kind of an early one. C185xxx and the slide plate was not ramped. It does have a recess for the striker thingy.


I think it was the horn honker that implied in another thread that the striker plate didn?t have a recess to keep it from dropping down and jamming the slide open. And that ramping the slide plate was a temporary fix. BS. Does the horn honker even have a P10C? Maybe someone with an earlier serial no than mine can comment.
Anyway, from what I?ve seen, there is no updated striker assembly, just a ramped slide cover plate. That?s all it really takes to fix the ?fatal flaw? news that is spreading like fake news in a presidential election.
I can?t see sending mine back to CZ to have something replaced that I can do in ten seconds.


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What you're missing here is that CZ did'nt think that a bevel on the backplate was a good enough fix, and did what I basically said the should've done in the first place, make the striker interlock with the backplate, and it appears from the pics, that's exactly what they've done. If you're happy with your band-aid fix, then drive on..

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My P10C is kind of an early one. C185xxx and the slide plate was not ramped. It does have a recess for the striker thingy.


I think it was the horn honker that implied in another thread that the striker plate didn?t have a recess to keep it from dropping down and jamming the slide open. And that ramping the slide plate was a temporary fix. BS. Does the horn honker even have a P10C? Maybe someone with an earlier serial no than mine can comment.
Anyway, from what I?ve seen, there is no updated striker assembly, just a ramped slide cover plate. That?s all it really takes to fix the ?fatal flaw? news that is spreading like fake news in a presidential election.
I can?t see sending mine back to CZ to have something replaced that I can do in ten seconds.


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What you're missing here is that CZ did'nt think that a bevel on the backplate was a good enough fix, and did what I basically said the should've done in the first place, make the striker interlock with the backplate, and it appears from the pics, that's exactly what they've done. If you're happy with your band-aid fix, then drive on..
Actually, what you are missing is that the striker and backplate have been interlocking from as early as a C185xxx serial number. I believe it?s been that way all along and unless someone can provide a picture that proves otherwise, I call BS on anyone that says so. All we have PROOF of is that they ramped the slide plate. We also have proof that the ramp cures the problem!


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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #114 on: November 13, 2017, 11:22:24 AM »
Call bs on me then,the p-10 I just sold DID NOT INTERLOCK WITH THE STRIKER, PERIOD. And yes the bevel on the backplate is, and always was a band-aid fix. It quite possible that these changes were made in line, so as not to disrupt production, as I said, the one I just sold the backplate did not look anything like the one in the pic, so, I can only assume that changes were made, and new parts were supplied to assembly, as the older designed parts were used up. This is a common practice.
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Call bs on me then,the p-10 I just sold DID NOT INTERLOCK WITH THE STRIKER, PERIOD. And yes the bevel on the backplate is, and always was a band-aid fix. It quite possible that these changes were made in line, so as not to disrupt production, as I said, the one I just sold the backplate did not look anything like the one in the pic, so, I can only assume that changes were made, and new parts were supplied to assembly, as the older designed parts were used up. This is a common practice.
Then I apologize and retract my BS call!
That said, I find it difficult to believe that CZ would not have had similar issues during testing. Without the recess, there is nothing to prevent the slide plate from sliding all the way down and out. Unless possibly some slide plates were incorrectly molded and not caught.

Such a shame to sell such a good pistol when all it needed to become reliable was a .10? plastic part.


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Call bs on me then,the p-10 I just sold DID NOT INTERLOCK WITH THE STRIKER, PERIOD. And yes the bevel on the backplate is, and always was a band-aid fix. It quite possible that these changes were made in line, so as not to disrupt production, as I said, the one I just sold the backplate did not look anything like the one in the pic, so, I can only assume that changes were made, and new parts were supplied to assembly, as the older designed parts were used up. This is a common practice.
Then I apologize and retract my BS call!
That said, I find it difficult to believe that CZ would not have had similar issues during testing. Without the recess, there is nothing to prevent the slide plate from sliding all the way down and out. Unless possibly some slide plates were incorrectly molded and not caught.

Such a shame to sell such a good pistol when all it needed to become reliable was a .10? plastic part.


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 Yes such a shame to sell the good pistols to the public with such "FLAWS" from simple QC oversight?  Why are buyers having to throwing down cold hard cash just to be BETA testing consumers on their own dime?
 Holding my head down for the incoming barrage......For not being a nice boy and saying only good things.
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Call bs on me then,the p-10 I just sold DID NOT INTERLOCK WITH THE STRIKER, PERIOD. And yes the bevel on the backplate is, and always was a band-aid fix. It quite possible that these changes were made in line, so as not to disrupt production, as I said, the one I just sold the backplate did not look anything like the one in the pic, so, I can only assume that changes were made, and new parts were supplied to assembly, as the older designed parts were used up. This is a common practice.
Then I apologize and retract my BS call!
That said, I find it difficult to believe that CZ would not have had similar issues during testing. Without the recess, there is nothing to prevent the slide plate from sliding all the way down and out. Unless possibly some slide plates were incorrectly molded and not caught.

Such a shame to sell such a good pistol when all it needed to become reliable was a .10? plastic part.


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 Yes such a shame to sell the good pistols to the public with such "FLAWS" from simple QC oversight?  Why are buyers having to throwing down cold hard cash just to be BETA testing consumers on their own dime?
 Holding my head down for the incoming barrage......For not being a nice boy and saying only good things.
I have to agree with you that this should have been tested better. It?s also a shame you and others can?t try this pistol when it?s got the right parts inside. I love mine even though I had to ramp the plate. If you could shoot a P10C that runs, especially with a RDS you be a believer.


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I have to agree with you that this should have been tested better. It?s also a shame you and others can?t try this pistol when it?s got the right parts inside. I love mine even though I had to ramp the plate. If you could shoot a P10C that runs, especially with a RDS you be a believer.


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Oh, mine had a several good strings here and there between bleepit's.
I really think their on to something with this model, It just sucks the way it was presented to the masses. and I don't mean that it is a total flop of a product.  Hopefully mine comes back from repair ready to run, I've got a few hundred rounds of different blammo waiting.
Still think I'll not give up what I carry now though.
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #119 on: November 14, 2017, 11:30:20 AM »
My P10C is a C189xxx and I have close to 1k rounds through it now with no issues at all. Guess I got lucky!!