I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...

[Joe L]

My P series assembly/disassembly videos have been viewed a combined total of nearly 70,000 times.  Talk about slow learners!! 

But to be honest, those videos could have been done a lot better and could have been a lot shorter.  If and when I get to do some P-10C CGW upgrade videos, I'll show you what is possible now for an installation video with a little more (video) knowledge and pre-planning on my part.  Until then, I am content with knowing that those videos have helped a lot of people, and have saved David and his crew a lot of telephone time.  That was the goal, I wanted CGW to spend more time creating new stuff (for me!!!) rather than manning the help line on installing the CGW parts. 

Now if I just had some P-10C parts to video....

Joe

[armoredman]

 

[impactbumper]

CGW:




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[DOC 1500]

A-man,  I think we ought to rename this The NeverEnding thread.

[flattusmaximus78]

I need to post a video of the firing pin block on my new P10C later today. I can click the block over and the striker slides forward and is flush against the channel/sleeve it rides in. At that point it looks like the firing pin block is out of the equation. Never checked my earlier model.

[flattusmaximus78]

Disregard post.

[armoredman]

Doc, you think this one is bad, look at the "Last person to post in this thread wins a brick of 22 ammo" at Gunsandammo.com....

[cocowheats]

As noted a few pages back, I have a newer p10c with the ramped back plate.

Today I had the plate stoppage problem. Happened one time on my second mag of the day. The ramped back plate didn't prevent the problem!

After examinating it, I tried to tap rack it but it didn't fix it. I had to unload the gun, manually push the plate up, then reload. If I had too I probably could have just smacked the plate into place without unloading then tap racked, but to be safe, I unloaded first.

Mine has 550-600rnds with no stoppages up till now. I'm concerned it'll happen more often the more broke in the gun gets, especially since this hasn't been an issue till it's been "broke in".

I can't bring myself to trust this gun. It's nothing but a range gun still, which is sad because I want to be able to trust it.

The tap in "tap, rack, bang" shouldn't be tapping the slide plate...

[impactbumper]

As noted a few pages back, I have a newer p10c with the ramped back plate.

Today I had the plate stoppage problem. Happened one time on my second mag of the day. The ramped back plate didn't prevent the problem!

After examinating it, I tried to tap rack it but it didn't fix it. I had to unload the gun, manually push the plate up, then reload. If I had too I probably could have just smacked the plate into place without unloading then tap racked, but to be safe, I unloaded first.

Mine has 550-600rnds with no stoppages up till now. I'm concerned it'll happen more often the more broke in the gun gets, especially since this hasn't been an issue till it's been "broke in".

I can't bring myself to trust this gun. It's nothing but a range gun still, which is sad because I want to be able to trust it.

The tap in "tap, rack, bang" shouldn't be tapping the slide plate...

And this is a shame. Such a great firearm. They need to address this. Can you rotate your striker to the right?


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[flattusmaximus78]

My striker doesn't rotate on my new one, but there is still a lot of moving parts attached to the striker. No problems yet though. I would bet my bottom dollar the striker and associated parts get entire replacements in the future.

[badwrench]

As noted a few pages back, I have a newer p10c with the ramped back plate.

Today I had the plate stoppage problem. Happened one time on my second mag of the day. The ramped back plate didn't prevent the problem!

After examinating it, I tried to tap rack it but it didn't fix it. I had to unload the gun, manually push the plate up, then reload. If I had too I probably could have just smacked the plate into place without unloading then tap racked, but to be safe, I unloaded first.

Mine has 550-600rnds with no stoppages up till now. I'm concerned it'll happen more often the more broke in the gun gets, especially since this hasn't been an issue till it's been "broke in".

I can't bring myself to trust this gun. It's nothing but a range gun still, which is sad because I want to be able to trust it.

The tap in "tap, rack, bang" shouldn't be tapping the slide plate...

About all you can do at this point, is send it back to CZ along with a curt note.  This should'nt be happening. I myself am not a fan of the beveled backplate as a fix, CZ really needs to get serious about fixing this. Look at the bright side, at least it happened at the range, where the worse that could happen is you range day ended sooner than you liked, rather than on the street. This is unacceptable, period. If you get it back from CZ and still don't trust it, sell it and move on, once trust is lost in something like a firearm, you usually never trust it again, and will likely never shoot it well because you'll always be looking for it to malfunction again.

[cocowheats]

As noted a few pages back, I have a newer p10c with the ramped back plate.

Today I had the plate stoppage problem. Happened one time on my second mag of the day. The ramped back plate didn't prevent the problem!

After examinating it, I tried to tap rack it but it didn't fix it. I had to unload the gun, manually push the plate up, then reload. If I had too I probably could have just smacked the plate into place without unloading then tap racked, but to be safe, I unloaded first.

Mine has 550-600rnds with no stoppages up till now. I'm concerned it'll happen more often the more broke in the gun gets, especially since this hasn't been an issue till it's been "broke in".

I can't bring myself to trust this gun. It's nothing but a range gun still, which is sad because I want to be able to trust it.

The tap in "tap, rack, bang" shouldn't be tapping the slide plate...

About all you can do at this point, is send it back to CZ along with a curt note.  This should'nt be happening. I myself am not a fan of the beveled backplate as a fix, CZ really needs to get serious about fixing this. Look at the bright side, at least it happened at the range, where the worse that could happen is you range day ended sooner than you liked, rather than on the street. This is unacceptable, period. If you get it back from CZ and still don't trust it, sell it and move on, once trust is lost in something like a firearm, you usually never trust it again, and will likely never shoot it well because you'll always be looking for it to malfunction again.

The problem with all that is, what is CZ really going to do? Seems like they'd do one of three things(for the most part):1)Look it over and send it back as is. 2)Replace parts with the same flawed design parts. 3)Replace the gun with the a gun that has the same flawed parts.

If CZ won't address this issue, then there is no trust; not just for my particular P10C, but in CZ as a company. I was their guinea pig on the Scorpion mags that they never fixed and now I'm there guinea pig on a pistol that they seem to have no interest in truly fixing at this point in time(just like the Scorpion mags).

I'm done with CZ! Never again! I watched 2 different buddies' P10s have the striker tip shear off; man they're going to laugh and say "I told you so" when I tell them about the backplate issue.

[cocowheats]

To be clear, my backplate completely dislodged when I had my failed to go into battery issue. The ramped back plate was pushed so far down that the ramping was useless and the plate had to be pushed back into place where it snapped/clicked when back into place. With the slide off the frame or the slide locked back, my plate has little to no wiggle in any direction. My striker can be pushed to the side far enough that the striker could hang the slide up. With striker pushed to the side, my back plate is still very tight.

Here is a pic of the striker hanging the slide up(manually induced). I didn't realize this was possible till I was looking mine over after having the back plate drop down.


So the striker can hang the slide up and so can the back plate. How the hell is there no recall??? Gonna take a wrongful death lawsuit I guess...

[cremaley]

Received email today from CZ-USA stating that the striker block spring has been replaced and slide cover adjusted on my P-10. Its being shipped overnight so I will have it back tomorrow. Will probably make it to the range next week to see how it performs. Email says it Test Fired Good. Definitely looking forward to getting it back.
BTW it took a little over 2 weeks from start to finish of the warranty service.

[badwrench]

As noted a few pages back, I have a newer p10c with the ramped back plate.

Today I had the plate stoppage problem. Happened one time on my second mag of the day. The ramped back plate didn't prevent the problem!

After examinating it, I tried to tap rack it but it didn't fix it. I had to unload the gun, manually push the plate up, then reload. If I had too I probably could have just smacked the plate into place without unloading then tap racked, but to be safe, I unloaded first.

Mine has 550-600rnds with no stoppages up till now. I'm concerned it'll happen more often the more broke in the gun gets, especially since this hasn't been an issue till it's been "broke in".

I can't bring myself to trust this gun. It's nothing but a range gun still, which is sad because I want to be able to trust it.

The tap in "tap, rack, bang" shouldn't be tapping the slide plate...

About all you can do at this point, is send it back to CZ along with a curt note.  This should'nt be happening. I myself am not a fan of the beveled backplate as a fix, CZ really needs to get serious about fixing this. Look at the bright side, at least it happened at the range, where the worse that could happen is you range day ended sooner than you liked, rather than on the street. This is unacceptable, period. If you get it back from CZ and still don't trust it, sell it and move on, once trust is lost in something like a firearm, you usually never trust it again, and will likely never shoot it well because you'll always be looking for it to malfunction again.

The problem with all that is, what is CZ really going to do? Seems like they'd do one of three things(for the most part):1)Look it over and send it back as is. 2)Replace parts with the same flawed design parts. 3)Replace the gun with the a gun that has the same flawed parts.

If CZ won't address this issue, then there is no trust; not just for my particular P10C, but in CZ as a company. I was their guinea pig on the Scorpion mags that they never fixed and now I'm there guinea pig on a pistol that they seem to have no interest in truly fixing at this point in time(just like the Scorpion mags).

I'm done with CZ! Never again! I watched 2 different buddies' P10s have the striker tip shear off; man they're going to laugh and say "I told you so" when I tell them about the backplate issue.

Believe me, I understand..when I first read about this, and then looked mine over, I figured right there and then that this was a serious problem that a bandaid wasn't going to fix.. I sold mine, I'm switching to DA/SA pistols anyway, so no big deal.. As far as CZ  DA/SA pistols go they're solid, I've never had a problem with mine, The P-10 has some fleas that need gotten rid of, they'll (CZ) get it fixed at some point, but that may take some time, I'd give it another look in say, about a year or two, in the meantime, maybe take a look at a  CZ75 compact, or maybe a PCR, excellant little pistols, and with some love from CGW they turn them into fantastic pistols. Bottom line.. The P-10c isn't quite ready for prime-time just yet, and, until they get this issue with striker rotation, etc fixed, I would NOT carry the thing.