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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #150 on: November 30, 2017, 08:00:41 PM »
Since my P-10 is not my EDC, I am not ready to give up on this gun at this time. When I get it back tomorrow it will have had its striker and strike block spring replaced and the slide cover adjusted. I intend to shoot it frequently to see if any other issue arise. If they do, I will re-evaluate my options. If not, I will eventually work it into my EDC rotation. I still think this is a fine handgun that like a lot of other manufacturers new models is having some early production issues that will be corrected by CZ. It has an amazing trigger and is very accurate.

BTW my new Colt Cobra is back at the factory for the second time since I purchased it in April. The first time the hammer broke. This time I think its the trigger. Just an example of how new models sometimes have early production issues and no I am not giving up on this gun either.
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #151 on: December 01, 2017, 12:58:40 AM »
If the firearm is not working correctly send it back. I agree, if you have multiple issues with it and lose confidence in it, you will likely always have that in the back of your mind, no matter how well it works after repair. Had that with a Smith revolver that had issues, and a Taurus revolver that had MULTIPLE issues - it worked just fine after the last trip to the factory, but I got rid of it anyway.
I think that there IS something in the works for the P-10 series, but I don't know what, I don't know. All I know is mine works fine, and many others work fine, and that some do not. Send it back or sell it, either or, but I don't really think the ramped slide cover is going to be the only fix.

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2017, 11:45:57 AM »
My P-10 just arrived back from CZ-USA Warranty Service. They replaced the striker block spring and adjusted the slide cover plate. When I removed the slide I tried to wiggle the slide cover plate but it would not move one bit. This was not the case when I sent my P-10 in for repairs. I remember reading where some forum members sent their P-10 for warranty repair and when they received them back the paper works said that the slide cover plate was replaced but not adjusted line mine said. Is my recollection correct? If that is the case I am wondering what they did to adjust my slide cover plate to make it stay in place with the slide removed. Could this be another fix for the "fatal flaw"? Would be interested in knowing your thoughts.


Decided to call CZ-USA Warranty Service and ask them what they meant by adjusting the slide cover plate. I was told that it was chamfered to prevent the slide from hanging up under certain conditions. They also said that some movement of the slide cover plate up and down is normal. Mine, however, is a very tight fit which they said is also fine. BTW I really don't think the striker block spring broke. I think it popped out when my gunsmith was replacing the striker spring and he could not find it. In the end I'm kind glad it did because I was able to get the slide cover plate adjusted in the process. I'm excited to have my P-10 and look forward to hitting the range early next week.
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #153 on: December 01, 2017, 01:30:04 PM »
Ya, mine has little to no back plate play and a smidgen of back plate play is inherent in this sort of design. Glocks can even have a smidgen of backplate play.

Mine will not allow me to manually force the plate down far enough to catch. I also have the ramped back plate. This is why I was extremely surprised to have the back plate completely dislodge itself from the striker assembly and move far enough down that even the ramping couldn't prevent the slide from hanging up!

Did your original back plate have the recessed cut for the striker sleeve to fit in? I have a picture of it on like page 7...that could be why it's a tighter fit now. I never took note of the parts on the earlier models I had apart(sheared off firing pin issue), so I'm not sure if there was a backplate version without the recessed cut out for the striker sleeve to sit in.
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2017, 02:01:58 PM »
Ya, mine has little to no back plate play and a smidgen of back plate play is inherent in this sort of design. Glocks can even have a smidgen of backplate play.

Mine will not allow me to manually force the plate down far enough to catch. I also have the ramped back plate. This is why I was extremely surprised to have the back plate completely dislodge itself from the striker assembly and move far enough down that even the ramping couldn't prevent the slide from hanging up!

Did your original back plate have the recessed cut for the striker sleeve to fit in? I have a picture of it on like page 7...that could be why it's a tighter fit now. I never took note of the parts on the earlier models I had apart(sheared off firing pin issue), so I'm not sure if there was a backplate version without the recessed cut out for the striker sleeve to sit in.

I really can't answer that question as I never checked to see if the original back plate had a recessed cut for the striker sleeve to fit in. I'm guessing it did not and that's the reason for the tighter fit.


BTW I have noticed that the mag release is much easier as it the slide release with a round loaded in the magazine. However, I don't think warranty service did anything to correct those issues. Probably got better with use.
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #155 on: December 01, 2017, 05:09:40 PM »
Glad to hear it, sir! Please let us know how she does on the range!

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2017, 08:30:46 PM »
Glad to hear it, sir! Please let us know how she does on the range!


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My P-10 just arrived back from CZ-USA Warranty Service. They replaced the striker block spring and adjusted the slide cover plate. When I removed the slide I tried to wiggle the slide cover plate but it would not move one bit. This was not the case when I sent my P-10 in for repairs. I remember reading where some forum members sent their P-10 for warranty repair and when they received them back the paper works said that the slide cover plate was replaced but not adjusted line mine said. Is my recollection correct? If that is the case I am wondering what they did to adjust my slide cover plate to make it stay in place with the slide removed. Could this be another fix for the "fatal flaw"? Would be interested in knowing your thoughts.


Decided to call CZ-USA Warranty Service and ask them what they meant by adjusting the slide cover plate. I was told that it was chamfered to prevent the slide from hanging up under certain conditions. They also said that some movement of the slide cover plate up and down is normal. Mine, however, is a very tight fit which they said is also fine. BTW I really don't think the striker block spring broke. I think it popped out when my gunsmith was replacing the striker spring and he could not find it. In the end I'm kind glad it did because I was able to get the slide cover plate adjusted in the process. I'm excited to have my P-10 and look forward to hitting the range early next week.
Could you rotate the striker before and can you after the repairs?

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My P-10 just arrived back from CZ-USA Warranty Service. They replaced the striker block spring and adjusted the slide cover plate. When I removed the slide I tried to wiggle the slide cover plate but it would not move one bit. This was not the case when I sent my P-10 in for repairs. I remember reading where some forum members sent their P-10 for warranty repair and when they received them back the paper works said that the slide cover plate was replaced but not adjusted line mine said. Is my recollection correct? If that is the case I am wondering what they did to adjust my slide cover plate to make it stay in place with the slide removed. Could this be another fix for the "fatal flaw"? Would be interested in knowing your thoughts.



Decided to call CZ-USA Warranty Service and ask them what they meant by adjusting the slide cover plate. I was told that it was chamfered to prevent the slide from hanging up under certain conditions. They also said that some movement of the slide cover plate up and down is normal. Mine, however, is a very tight fit which they said is also fine. BTW I really don't think the striker block spring broke. I think it popped out when my gunsmith was replacing the striker spring and he could not find it. In the end I'm kind glad it did because I was able to get the slide cover plate adjusted in the process. I'm excited to have my P-10 and look forward to hitting the range early next week.
Could you rotate the striker before and can you after the repairs?


Never checked it before the repair but cannot rotate the striker after.
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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #159 on: December 02, 2017, 09:19:39 AM »
I have a newer gun and can't rotate it either, I'll check my old one.

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #160 on: December 02, 2017, 02:52:40 PM »
  I have about 300 rounds through my P10C and the slide cover hangup happened yesterday. It was funny because I had just finished explaining to my son that it was something I had to watch out for..... I was also able to manually cause the problem by pulling back on the slide, down on the cover, and releasing the slide.

  I removed the slide cover and beveled the areas that were not already done. I can't make it happen now even if I try to as I did yesterday. My cover does have the half moon cutout. I was wondering if anyone has the aluminum slide cover from CZ Custom and if they've had the same problem? I asked in an email if the covers were beveled, they said they weren't but a customer had told them they had a tight fit.

 

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #161 on: December 03, 2017, 02:10:01 AM »
I don't know about the CZC versions - I was very interested in getting one.

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #162 on: December 03, 2017, 02:09:45 PM »
Shaneruss and Armoredman--The CZC cover is the same shape and size as the factory one, according to Earlan357. 

I didn't bevel the lower edge, I removed enough of it so it couldn't catch if it slid down a little.  So far, so good.  But it leaves a gap, that's for sure. 



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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #163 on: December 04, 2017, 01:11:19 AM »
  Joe L

  With the CZC cover can you rotate the striker and cause the "fatal flaw"?

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Re: I went to the range to explore that P-10C "fatal flaw" as it was called...
« Reply #164 on: December 04, 2017, 06:07:14 AM »
  Joe L

  With the CZC cover can you rotate the striker and cause the "fatal flaw"?

Probably could. 
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