P-01 Omega Safety Concern?

[supergunner84]

Happy Black Friday all,

Just got my P-01 Omega back from CZ today, and alas it is finally functioning as expected.  All they did was replace the sear (again). No more walking of the decocker and it doesn't decock to the firing pin

When I get some time I'll post a video of the differences.

Cheers,
SG

[rkubatk21]

Happy Black Friday all,

Just got my P-01 Omega back from CZ today, and alas it is finally functioning as expected.  All they did was replace the sear (again). No more walking of the decocker and it doesn't decock to the firing pin

When I get some time I'll post a video of the differences.

Cheers,
SG

Excellent very happy to hear! I sent mine in about a week and a half ago and just received an email saying it was just processed. How long did it take the first time for them to send it back?

[supergunner84]

Happy Black Friday all,

Just got my P-01 Omega back from CZ today, and alas it is finally functioning as expected.  All they did was replace the sear (again). No more walking of the decocker and it doesn't decock to the firing pin

When I get some time I'll post a video of the differences.

Cheers,
SG

Excellent very happy to hear! I sent mine in about a week and a half ago and just received an email saying it was just processed. How long did it take the first time for them to send it back?

It took a little over 3 weeks from when I first sent it in to get it back the first time. The second time around was 1 week from sending it to them to getting it back. Good luck!

[MatthewD]

I have a Omega compact on order right now. I?m interested in what was wrong with the replaced sear that caused the malfunction. Thanks in advance.

[supergunner84]

Hey everyone,

I got my pistol back last week from CZ (second time out), but something about swapping the decocker spring and sear (which doesn't even touch the decocker lever) seemed weird to me.  I did a little more tinkering and believe I have a very easy solution. 

The P-01 omega system is basically copied from the polymer P-07 and P-09's, with right side decocker lever being metal rather than polymer.  It's just a theory, but I believe that the engagement between the left and right side decocker is a little more gritty (due to the polymer) on the P-07/09's than it is with the metal on metal engagement of the P-01 Omega. Couple that with a very slight sidewards load from the decocker spring and you'll get the phenomenon I experienced.

I fixed the gun simply by dimpling the left side decocker lever end (where it engages the right side).  This created a very subtle "press" fit, which solved the issue. Below is the how to:

https://youtu.be/uKBq6tjSOiQ

Cheers,
SG

[del4c]

Pretty frickin cool and awesome is what I have to say! I like how you dig down in the weeds to solve issues- don`t quit till it`s right,  we have a brain at work. This is what this forum is about- helping each other without reservation.


so are u using the oem decocker spring now or that replacement spring they gave u the first time?

I had a feeling is was not the out of spec ejector the "pro`s said it was"

i didn't have too much faith in that theory.

do u think using a dremmel with a fine bit would work? i assume that u are basically staking the
decocker

Let us know- thank again for your hard work

[Muggins]

Thank you for posting that and the great video!

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[supergunner84]

Pretty frickin cool and awesome is what I have to say! I like how you dig down in the weeds to solve issues- don`t quit till it`s right,  we have a brain at work. This is what this forum is about- helping each other without reservation.


so are u using the oem decocker spring now or that replacement spring they gave u the first time?

I had a feeling is was not the out of spec ejector the "pro`s said it was"

i didn't have too much faith in that theory.

do u think using a dremmel with a fine bit would work? i assume that u are basically staking the
decocker

Let us know- thank again for your hard work

Kinda like staking but doing it from the inside.

DO NOT USE A DREMMEL, you want to displace the metal on the decocker, not remove it.  If you don't have a drift punch or a center punch, use a nail and hammer.... Displace/dent the part, do not remove material.

I am using the new decocker spring, but shouldn't matter in my opinion.

Cheers,
SG

[rkubatk21]

Pretty frickin cool and awesome is what I have to say! I like how you dig down in the weeds to solve issues- don`t quit till it`s right,  we have a brain at work. This is what this forum is about- helping each other without reservation.


so are u using the oem decocker spring now or that replacement spring they gave u the first time?

I had a feeling is was not the out of spec ejector the "pro`s said it was"

i didn't have too much faith in that theory.

do u think using a dremmel with a fine bit would work? i assume that u are basically staking the
decocker

Let us know- thank again for your hard work

Kinda like staking but doing it from the inside.

DO NOT USE A DREMMEL, you want to displace the metal on the decocker, not remove it.  If you don't have a drift punch or a center punch, use a nail and hammer.... Displace/dent the part, do not remove material.

I am using the new decocker spring, but shouldn't matter in my opinion.

Cheers,
SG

Excellent work sir! CZ just emailed me this morning saying they are replacing my omega, however I may need to do this as well.

[jimjc]

Great work Supergunner84 you're one smart guy.....

Wonder if you let CZ into what you have done what they would think, you may save them from a lot of headaches.

[supergunner84]

Great work Supergunner84 you're one smart guy.....

Wonder if you let CZ into what you have done what they would think, you may save them from a lot of headaches.

Thank you.

I have sent several emails with the videos to them and haven't heard anything. Hope it will help them out.

Cheers,
SG

[del4c]

Ok, one thing to be careful when doing the staking/displacing the metal with a punch- I tried it out on the safety, an old one that didn`t work as a test run  just for press fit function- be careful not to make too big of a dimple in the flat sides of the decocker as it will go in ok, possibly tight, but when removing the pieces when  installed in the frame, may be a bitch to get out when taking down the gun.

like i said, I tried it with a safety out of the frame, just pushing in and taking out and could see a possible problem as it was very hard to pull out the 2 pieces after I made those dimples. I guess start out with a small whack first to see the resistance it makes, then proceed with a harder hit with a hammer if need be.

Maybe supergunner would like to chime in regarding this.

[supergunner84]

Ok, one thing to be careful when doing the staking/displacing the metal with a punch- I tried it out on the safety, an old one that didn`t work as a test run  just for press fit function- be careful not to make too big of a dimple in the flat sides of the decocker as it will go in ok, possibly tight, but when removing the pieces when  installed in the frame, may be a bitch to get out when taking down the gun.

like i said, I tried it with a safety out of the frame, just pushing in and taking out and could see a possible problem as it was very hard to pull out the 2 pieces after I made those dimples. I guess start out with a small whack first to see the resistance it makes, then proceed with a harder hit with a hammer if need be.

Maybe supergunner would like to chime in regarding this.

Absolutely test fit the parts outside of the frame. All you want is a little resistance, basically if I can't "pop" the parts free with minimal effort, the dimples are too large.  Also make sure that the dimples are not on the very end of the lever, all you want is the right side lever to just engage the dimples. This will make it easier to take down as well.

As for how hard to "whack" it... start soft.  I used a spring loaded center punch ($10 bucks at lowes) and it did the trick. 

Another thought is to use a little sharper drift punch, this will give a very localized displacement and may be easier to control.

Cheers,
SG

[del4c]

Last night after I posted at about 1AM, I did the fix on my decocker. I should have taken my own advice after practicing on the old safety. Also, should have waited till the next morning when I fresh.

 made 2 dimples , 1 on top, the other on the back, seemed good and i should have stopped, but put another in the front, test fit and over did it, hitting it to hard, probably should of also used a smaller lighter hammer. After pulling in and out many times, it loosened up and installed, should be ok when I have to takedown the gun in the future.

Bottom line- when slide back, function test downward pressure on ejector, no popping out or walking of the decocker  ISSUE FIXED FEEL CONFIDENT TO CARRY!

One thing to mention, when the slide wasn`t on and pressed down on the ejector it moved
slightly out on the left side (slide release side) but then seem to work in after working the ejector and decocker several times

just checked right now with the slide off pressing down on the ejector several time, and no movement of the decocker- maybe it wasn`t in all the way or worked itself in?

seems good to go, any comments supergunner- Thanks for the work!

[supergunner84]

Last night after I posted at about 1AM, I did the fix on my decocker. I should have taken my own advice after practicing on the old safety. Also, should have waited till the next morning when I fresh.

 made 2 dimples , 1 on top, the other on the back, seemed good and i should have stopped, but put another in the front, test fit and over did it, hitting it to hard, probably should of also used a smaller lighter hammer. After pulling in and out many times, it loosened up and installed, should be ok when I have to takedown the gun in the future.

Bottom line- when slide back, function test downward pressure on ejector, no popping out or walking of the decocker  ISSUE FIXED FEEL CONFIDENT TO CARRY!

One thing to mention, when the slide wasn`t on and pressed down on the ejector it moved
slightly out on the left side (slide release side) but then seem to work in after working the ejector and decocker several times

just checked right now with the slide off pressing down on the ejector several time, and no movement of the decocker- maybe it wasn`t in all the way or worked itself in?

seems good to go, any comments supergunner- Thanks for the work!

Glad it worked out well for you. The slot where the ejector sits inside the decocker is pretty tight toleranced, if you didn't have the decocker lever all the way engaged with the right side (I'm talking .005-.010"), the ejector may not have been in the fully engaged position and may have been hanging up on the side walls of the decocker/ejector slot.  Pressing down would relieve any hang up, giving you the perceived movement.

From what I can tell, if you press the left hand side all the way in to the frame, it will engage properly.

Again, this really shouldn't be a press fit, just a little interference.

Cheers,
SG