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Offline Diamond Jim

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2017, 10:42:54 AM »
I have .223/5.56 because I have no need for a 7.62 Russian. I don't really understand why it is so popular but, as it clearly is, who am I to question.
223 ammo is cheap, very accurate and deadly up to deer size critters (especially if you get a rifle that can shoot the heavier bullets). Plenty for hogs. It gets my vote.
7.62 Russian is an oddball calibre in Aussieland. Doubt the local General Store would stock it.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2017, 01:51:40 PM »
I have .223/5.56 because I have no need for a 7.62 Russian. I don't really understand why it is so popular but, as it clearly is, who am I to question.
223 ammo is cheap, very accurate and deadly up to deer size critters (especially if you get a rifle that can shoot the heavier bullets). Plenty for hogs. It gets my vote.
7.62 Russian is an oddball calibre in Aussieland. Doubt the local General Store would stock it.

The thread title was to compare the 7.62x39 to the .223/5.56.  7.62 Russian is an older 19th century cartridge for the Mosin Nagant rifles  I think it was introduced in the early 1890's.  The 7.62x39 was introduced much later in 1943.  and is a much less powerful cartridge than the older rimmed 7.62 Russian.

I'm like you and have no need for the cartridge, if I want something of that power level I will get out my old 30-30.
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2017, 02:24:55 PM »
It's probably much easier to get ammo for in Europe, hence the choice of that caliber when building the rifles at the factory.

Some people like a bolt action rifle and with this caliber you can have a "short" action vs. a longer action so you lose a little in weight and length of rifle to thread through the brush if hunting in the woods.

While I don't need one in a bolt action, I did by a SIG 556R a few years ago before I realized SIG can't figure out today what they'll be making next year and then won't support what they've stopped making.  My one and only SIG.  But it would make a nice (though somewhat heavy) short range deer rifle for the woods.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2017, 12:50:44 AM »
Late to reply, but you can't go wrong with either choice.  I have a 527 in 7.62x39 and shoot mostly Wolf steel case ammo, which I buy in bulk.  I chose the 527 because it was the ONLY bolt action rifle that would shoot the same Russian caliber as my AK.  For 223/556, I have another brand bolt action rifle.  I like shooting the 7.62x39 with 527 because the ammo is cheap,  the gun/ammo combo is very accurate, and what's more, it lets me feel the power of shooting a  semi-big caliber WITHOUT the bad recoil.  In addition to shooting with iron sights, I use a small 2-7x Redfield scope.  The ONLY con is the cost of mags. I bought 3 extra (total of 4) so I can load all the rounds from the 20 round ammo box.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2017, 01:13:41 AM »
The CZ 527 in 7.62 X 39 is built for the steel case ammo:

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Built to CIP specifications, our 7.62×39 chambers are ideal for shooting steel-cased surplus ammo. Designed to shoot .311 bullets, some American brass ammo may not perform as well as the imported steel-cased variety because of SAAMI brass dimensions and varying bullet diameters.

These are 5-rounds at 50 yards using a Leupold VX-2 2-7x33mm scope from rest, same ammo.




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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2018, 01:30:07 AM »
Well, finally shot the 527 in 7.62x39 today, I’m not one to just say it was great if in fact it wasn’t.....but I really enjoyed the Carbine set up with open sights and the “set trigger” option, it was very accurate out to 100yds, with just the open sights, which is what I prefer in the Carbine configuration. Agree completely with what “cz75BDShooter” contributed.  Would really consider the same setup in 5.56x45 after shooting this one :)

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2018, 06:18:08 AM »
I've always heard the excuse about the lack of accuracy for many AK's being the fault of the ammo.  In my SIG 556R the Wolf ammo shoots better than any of the other I've tried.

My brother's AK, however, seems to like Tula for plinking, over Wolf.  It also shoot the Silver Bear soft points very well.  Better than anything else.

My rifle doesn't like Tula (groups open up) and neither of our rifles do well with that Red Army stuff, so we no longer buy that brand.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2018, 02:33:43 PM »
Last time I bought surplus/steel case ammo, it cost me $90 for a case. I still have some left, somewhere.

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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2018, 05:55:45 PM »
Well, finally shot the 527 in 7.62x39 today, I’m not one to just say it was great if in fact it wasn’t.....but I really enjoyed the Carbine set up with open sights and the “set trigger” option, it was very accurate out to 100yds, with just the open sights, which is what I prefer in the Carbine configuration. Agree completely with what “cz75BDShooter” contributed.  Would really consider the same setup in 5.56x45 after shooting this one :)

I did use the 124gr Tula in my range trip.......first couple rounds were a little difficult to chamber/cycle....I attribute that to me  ???, after firing and cycling those it ran flawlessly the remainder of the time....looks to have needed just a few rounds to "loosen" up a bit.
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2018, 09:58:53 PM »
I found some! 50 rounds of Wolf steel, made before the Wolf Classic junk. When I get the 527M back out to the line I'll see how they do.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2018, 06:29:39 PM »
Well after looking at other .223 options out in the rifle-verse (rifle universe) I decided I'd really like to go with the 527 Carbine again but in .223 .......just really liked the 7.62 version and haven't really held or found via research anything that compares, based on what I'm looking for.  So let it be said.......so let it be done!   ;D

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2018, 12:21:05 AM »
So it is written and ordained, scribed in the Book of Steel.  8)

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2018, 05:52:26 AM »
Well, I chose the 7.62x39 because I like using a 30 caliber bullet when deer hunting.  Hornady's 123 grain SST should work quite well, they even use steel casings.

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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2018, 09:42:00 AM »
Well, I chose the 7.62x39 because I like using a 30 caliber bullet when deer hunting.  Hornady's 123 grain SST should work quite well, they even use steel casings.

If I had to have just one.....the 7.62x39 would be the one, but fortunately I get to enjoy both....I’m really good to myself   ;D
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Re: 527 in 7.62x39 or .223/5.56 ......
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2018, 03:32:09 AM »
Well, I chose the 7.62x39 because I like using a 30 caliber bullet when deer hunting.  Hornady's 123 grain SST should work quite well, they even use steel casings.

That's my choice for bullet as well, but I handload them.

 

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