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Offline nstg8r

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Newb with 3AM thoughts about - EVERYTHING!
« on: December 13, 2017, 06:43:11 PM »
Hi, new reloader here with a couple of random 3 AM questions.

Maybe a quick intro first... where to start? I?ve got a CZ75 SP01 that I?ve been shooting for about a year now and have just started on my journey with Ipsc style competition.  This new addiction had me looking at reloading and I?ve recently purchased a used Dillon Square deal. I?m just finishing up a refurbish on it and hope to be done before Christmas. Maybe.

While pondering and reading this and other boards I?ve been wondering what other more experienced reloader do about cleaning and lubing their brass. Do people clean and lube on every reload cycle? 
Do I need to use a lube before resizing ?- Dillon uses carbide dies.
Do you lube, resize and then tumble clean?

I?m I overthinking this this?  Have I used the word lube to many times?

Thanks all.

- I figure I'll keep all my questions in this thread to keep it organized. I'll be adding questions as I learn. -
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Offline Earl Keese

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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2017, 07:32:46 PM »
I de-prime then tumble. Before sizing, I use Hornady One Shot. No need to re-clean before loading. Some people say lube is unnecessary for pistol brass, though I can't imagine going without.

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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2017, 08:40:28 PM »
When I have 500-600 cases of a particular caliber that's when I tumble my brass. I am not concerned about clean primer pockets.

When I am ready to load I use just a tiny little bit of Hornady Unique on a finger, rub it on my thumb and roll the case a little between those fingers. I do this between every 5-10 cases. It makes sizing so much smoother even with carbide dies.

Hornady Unique I believe is similar to Imperial but much cheaper, I load between 800-1000 rounds a month and I still have some left after about 4 years. I may have another years left.

You are going to get a lot of people doing it differently and using different products.

I don't think that there is any right or wrong ways but this is my way.
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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2017, 08:40:54 PM »
Tumble your brass after shooting (I prefer wet but dry is fine). Don?t get too hung up about it if you run out of clean brass and don?t have time. Dirty brass shoots just fine.

Lube before loading. One Shot, Dillon lube both work fine. Load in one go. No need to clean the lube off after. You don?t need that much.


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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2017, 10:07:08 PM »
Ok, thanks. Sounds like I was overthinking it

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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2017, 10:27:49 PM »
Wet tumble, dry, lube (Hornady case lube with Dillon carbide dies), load, QC, shoot.

Not rocket science.


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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2017, 10:50:03 PM »
Wet tumble with no pins....half oz of Armour All carwash and a pinch of lemishine shine.  Rinse well and dry THOROUGHLY!  Oven or dehydrator works best.  Super shiny and good to go!  Armour all car wash leaves wax on the case so no more lube necessary.

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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2017, 12:19:47 PM »
First off...

Welcome Aboard !


? Tumbling is a very personal thing. Lots of people do it, in lots of different ways, to achieve lots of different results. But then, lots of people don't clean their brass at all !!  ;D

? For competition I think we can all agree on these few things...
? Some form of brass cleaning is helpful for the handgun competitor. Since competitors generally shoot outdoors and retrieve their brass from the ground, a cleaning method that removes mud and dirt from the case exterior and other debris from the interior is essential, if only to save the reloading equipment.

? This process needs to be capable of handling quantities of brass, since the competition shooter is generating quantities of empty brass.

? Not necessarily shiny brass, but clean brass also helps the reloader spot deformities so that "bad" brass can be eliminated before the physical reloading process starts. Cleaning then is really the first step in the reloading process.

? This cleaning process can also be used to add waxes, polishes, and other mild lubricants to the case exterior. Although modern carbide sizing dies do not require lubrication to prevent galling or seizing inside the Sizing Die, added lubrication ALWAYS makes things easier, especially when considering the higher volumes of the competitive shooter.

? Most competitive shooters do not find it necessary to de-prime the cases before the cleaning process. This is promoted by the fact that most competitive shooters have chosen a powder and load range that allow very little soot or powder residue to remain in the ejected cartridge case. While their primary purpose is to keep the firearm clean and functioning during competition, the end result is that the interior of their brass is also as clean or cleaner.


Hope this helps.  ;)
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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2017, 01:13:35 PM »
What Wobbly said is spot on.
Some thoughts that can be considered and my references are to 9mm minor PF comp. loads:
I'm a retired old guy who likes reloading good ammo and has the time to do so.

The single most expensive reloading component bought new is the Brass Case.
Any crud or toxic residue build up in your press area comes from your Spent Primed Range Pick up Brass.
The most time spent processing a cartridge is done with the Brass.

Time and interest is the driver for how you process your range brass.  As Wobbly said,  some pick up the case , shake the dirt out and reload it.  They likely kick my butt at a match.
On the other hand,  I WASH my range brass, sort by headstamp, size and deprime on a simple single stage press out of the house.
Then,  the brass is tumbled with a little NuFinish polish in the media.  At this point the brass is "bling" clean and slips through the dies very easily,  especially since it's already sized and deprimed.  My press "stays clean" for a very long time.
The cartridge oals are very consistent with same headstamp cases per batch loaded. The chrono numbers are very consistently good.

There are benefits and drawbacks to these processes.  Each reloader decides .
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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2017, 02:12:08 PM »
I wont be adding anything new and revolutionary to whats been said so far but I will give you my method for cleaning several thousand pieces of brass with as little actual work as possible.  At any one time I usually have a couple of 5 gal buckets of brass that need cleaning so I usually wait til I have an afternoon or evening where I will be around the house for a while so I can knock as much out at one time.

I use a Frankford Arsenal Rotary Tumbler (FART) to clean my brass, they can usually be found on sale online in the $140 or less price range and come with 5lbs of stainless steel pins for those inclined to use them.  I like the FART because the drum is capable of holding somewhere in the neighborhood of 1200-1500 pieces of 9mm brass so I can get the cleaning over with fairly quickly.

I start by filling the drum with dirty brass, not all the way to the top as it needs a little room to bang into each other.  To that I add hot tap water, a squirt of Armor All Wash n Wax, and a bit of citric acid.  Set the timer for 45 minutes and go do something else, so far I'm about 5mins in actual hands on work.  Let me add, I don't decap/resize before tumbling nor do I use the pins, my brass comes out clean and looking like new on the outside without them, and I don't care about clean primer pockets or the inside of the cases, although they come pretty clean anyway.

I generally stop the tumbler after around 30 mins or when ever I think about it but if it goes the whole 45 no big deal.  Dump the dirty water, then refill and rinse 2-3 more times and take the drum up to my reloading room, turn the brass out on large towels to dry under the ceiling fan.  This process takes between 5-10 mins depending on how fast I am moving that day. 

Repeat the above steps about 3 more times in an evening and I have about 5k pieces of super shiny clean brass that I will let air dry under the fan in my reloading room. 

So with 45mins or less of actual hands on work I have a good amount of brass ready for when I need it.  Do yourself a favor, definitely lube your brass prior to loading, it just makes the whole process smoother and easier.  No, its technically not required for carbide dies, but it just makes the whole process more pleasant.  I prefer Hornady one shot as it dries without leaving a sticky film the lanolin based lubes leave.

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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2017, 02:51:13 PM »
I like the FART because....


You really had me going. For a minute there I thought it was the start to a male-only joke.  ;D


Thanks for the info and detailing that. I was only familiar with the units from Stainless Steel Media (STM). Their kit with all supplies starts about $100 higher at $249.

http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/


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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2017, 03:15:25 PM »
This new addiction had me looking at reloading and I?ve recently purchased a used Dillon Square deal. I?m just finishing up a refurbish on it and hope to be done before Christmas.


One of the greatest additions or accessories you can add to your SDB is one of these...

http://www.dillonupgrades.com/squaredealspentprimerupgrade.html

[Actually, if you have a drill press you can make your own for free using a 38 Spcl case and the Dillon steel part already on the press.]

Most of the mess generated in and around the press comes when the used primer is poked out of the case. Some of that smut coming out is not so good to breathe either. The plastic tube takes it all and routes it down to a sealed milk or oil jug under the bench. In that way your machine stays cleaner and you're not involved with handling any of it.

Once every 3 years or so you simply put another empty jug on and go at it again. Some scrap metal dealers will even pay for your jugs full of brass primer bits.

 ;)
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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2017, 11:05:57 PM »

...FART... snicker, snicker...

Wow, I really didn?t expect this many different approaches to cleaning brass!

So with the used press came a Lyman turbo 600 and a jug of new Lyman green media.
I ran a batch through it and the brass came out with a slight green tint. Can I assume that this is bit of polishing rouge and would be fine as lubricant too? Or should I grab some One Shot?

Thanks for the tips guys, Wobbly that tube looks like a great idea I?ll be adding it to the weekend list of projects. 

Cheers

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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 07:06:05 AM »
As mentioned, add a capful or so of NuFinish to your tumbler and let it work into the tumbling medium before you add the brass. Mine is shiny as new after a couple of hours in my Lyman 1200.  Also, a used dryer sheet cut into strips and added to the mix will collect dust.

I deprime after tumbling and use the tube to collector bin (I use a cat litter jug) method mentioned above and the press stays clean.  I used to use Lee lube cut about 15:1 with alcohol and applied with a spray bottle.  Handling during the loading process took off any excess.  I use carbide sizing dies (Redding Competition) so I?ve since stopped using lube on pistol cases and 9mm are the easiest of all to size. 

Plenty of good advice on this thread.  You will work out what works best for you.

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Re: Newb with 3AM thoughts about case prep
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 08:29:11 AM »
The effects of nufinish in crushed walnut shell media vs. just the crushed walnut shell media alone.

Brass on the right had the polish added.  The difference is easily seen.

I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?