Softest shooting clone for bad hands?

[snakeye]

SAR B6P compact or a full size...out of all my CZ and CZ clones to me is the softest shooter

[Yegs]

Snakeye, I was hoping for this type of response...are those B6P guns you reference polymer or steel? If polymer, have you had experience with steel versions...real or clones?

[DWARREN]

For me it would be a Witness P S 9mm. I have a Sar B6 and the Witness is slightly heavier and felt recoil for me is less.
Big and all metal would give less felt recoil.

[DF_Hammack]

Yegs, the biggest reason the CZ platform shoots so soft is the bore axis. I know, it depends on who you listen to about that, but it is true, The barrel sits significantly lower in the frame, so the recoil impulse is channeled more into your hand, which gives you meat and bone to absorb it. BUT, the higher the bore axis, the more the recoil impulse is distributed higher, which directs the recoil impulse OVER your hand.This twists the pistol upward more, causing muzzle to flip up against your locked wrist. The higher the barrel, the more it flips. What you are really feeling is NOT less recoil, but less upward TORQUE that you have to cancel. So really, recoil isn't the issue in the first place, TORQUE is. There is a new pistol out that is even better at this than the CZ, but I should live so long that the price comes down into my range. That is the new Hudson H9. It has a low bore axis too, BUT the recoil spring is about  1/2" lower, as well, distributing even more recoil impulse lower in the frame. It runs $1500 to $1900, IF you can find one.

[Yegs]

For me it would be a Witness P S 9mm. I have a Sar B6 and the Witness is slightly heavier and felt recoil for me is less.
Big and all metal would give less felt recoil.

I thought the Witness P S has a polymer frame?

DF, lower torque and higher mass sounds like the best option for me. Anyone know how a CZ compares with a Beretta 92 as far as recoil is concerned? Quite a few people have recommended the Beretta 92 or the PX4 as an alternative.

[DF_Hammack]

For me it would be a Witness P S 9mm. I have a Sar B6 and the Witness is slightly heavier and felt recoil for me is less.
Big and all metal would give less felt recoil.

Anyone know how a CZ compares with a Beretta 92 as far as recoil is concerned? Quite a few people have recommended the Beretta 92 or the PX4 as an alternative.

The Berrta 92 is huge, 8" long and even with an aluminum frame is about 33-1/2 oz, but it has a pretty high bore axis. At that weight, it absorbs a lot of recoil, but still not as "soft" a a CZ of similar weight because of the upward torque. Did I mention it is HUGE? The PX4 has a pretty low bore axis, and should be a mild shooter, but it is polymer.

I know I recommended steel, but I really did walk that back after I thought about comparing my P100 with my B6P. My P100 weighs about 10oz more than my B6P, but the truth is, I can't tell a lot of difference in shooting them. I would take either one, any day, over my brother's Smith & Wesson. I think it is a 5906. Even he rarely shoots it, preferring his Canik55 Stingray, which is very similar to my P100.

Really, my best advice is to find a way to actually shoot a few of the guns you are interested in, and take notes on your impressions as soon as you are done shooting each one. That way you won't be relying on fuzzy memories.  Do try a polymer, an aluminum and a steel. You may find the difference negligible.

[DF_Hammack]

BTW, the biggest reason I chose steel was not recoil management. I looked at a frame life study the military had done. Steel had the best frame life (surprisingly, polymer was second). Whether I am mistaken to do so or not is debatable, but I took the frame life to be an indicator of likelihood to fail. Since my P100 is my carry, that is why I chose steel.

[DWARREN]

The Witness P S does have a poly frame but is very soft shooting.
Just my experience.

[Yegs]

I can get a new TR Imports Mega Steel Alloy for just under $360 shipped. This gun appears to be the same as the Sars B6 Hawk. I'm down to this gun or the full sized polymer B6P for $100 less... or wait to find a Beretta PX4 for about the same price as the TR Imports Mega. I'm leaning towards the heavier steel TR Imports CZ copy.

I'll try go by another range this week and see if they have the Beretta PX4 and/or any CZs or clones for me to test.

[DanPop985]

Dan - I had heard about the Beretta px4...any idea how this stacks up against the above mentioned CZ clones as far as recoil is concerned? How about price?

I own a CZ clone and a PX4, no comparison the Beretta is much, much softer.
Here's an example of what you can can pick up for around. $300 on Gunbroker.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/732021814

[Yegs]

Dan, that one has a reserve. However, from what I've seen online PX4s have sold for as low as $350 (rarely though) - so it is feasible a used one might be attainable for $300.

Anyway, it appears you're comparing this to a polymer CZ clone? Do you have any experience shooting the full sized steel varieties?

[Horse Soldier]

To get information on any handgun and to compare pistols (recoil factor, weight, capacity, etc) go into this site;
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www.genitron.com
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You'll find most of the answers to your questions here.

[Horse Soldier]

Here is an example of some info on the above    genitron   web site for the

[Horse Soldier]

Example of some Info on SAR B6P compact from the genitron we ;
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Gun Dimensions               
Length:   7.5-in   Height:   5.7-in      
Barrel:   3.8-in   Weight:   25.6-oz      
Variant 2 of 2             
 
Gun Rankings      
IDPA Power Factor141257
Recoil Factor5.32 ft-lb
Total Capacity 14 rounds
ConcealibilityFair
Defense Factor91%      
         
Type:   Pistol      
Produced:   2013 -      
Caliber:   9mm Luger      
Action:   recoil operated semi-automatic      
Trigger:   double-action (DA/SA)      
Safety:   frame mounted manual safety      
Magazine:   13round      
Frame:   black polymer      
Grip:   integrated polymer      
Sights:   fixed      
Notes:   compact model   

[DF_Hammack]

Genitron is a great resource, but it does not account for the torque generated by muzzle flip which is also a concern for our OP with his nerve damaged hand. I don't know of anyone who measures that.