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Offline kerncat

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Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« on: December 29, 2017, 12:45:49 PM »
I shoot a lot of Missouri Bullet high tech coated bullets in my .45 acp, 45 Colt, and 38 special....I shoot their softer lead (12 hardness) and medium loads...it's great and my CZ 97 really loves the 200 grain coated bullet with W231...

i've not done any .40 cal but now that I have a new 75b I'm ready..Missouri makes a truncated cone flat point 155 grain bullet in a harder (18) lead with their high tech coating...Just wondering if anyone here has experience in the .40 with anything similar?  They also have other shape bullets but until I'm a bit more experienced with what my 75 wants I'd as soon stick with the shape that "mimics" factory jacketed bullets...

Any thoughts or help much appreciated...I got lots of powders...231, Unique, Universal, Bullseye so am not really limited...but I don't like the hot end of the scale...most of my shooting is mid range stuff.

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 03:13:26 PM »
I get all my bullets from a local bullet manufacturer who uses the same hi-tek coating as Bayou Bullets (some product imported from AUS). So not sure if what Missouri Bullets is offering is the same.  But if it is... I’ve been shooting a 180 gr TC bullet for a long time for USPSA and load to about 170 PF (940-950 fps).  Not sure if that meets your definition of mid-range. 

I prefer the heavier bullets (180 gr) over the lighter weight .40 offerings.  To me, the heavier 180’s with fast burning powder results in a softer recoil opposed to a snappier feel.  Plus I don’t need to push them as fast to achieve the same power factor.  So for me, the powder of choice is VV N320 (match load) or ETR7 (practice load), and I load long since I’m running them in 1911 or 2011 pistols.  In your case I would load to just shy of max of whatever your chamber is reamed for.

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 05:22:13 PM »
Donnie Miculek, who previously owned Bayou Bullets, is the sole importer of the Australian Hi-Tek coating that most everyone uses.  Everyone in the U.S. buys it from him, and it's by far the most common coating you'll find on coated lead bullets.  Blue Bullets makes their own coating.  And Precision Bullets makes their own coating.  But most everyone else uses the Hi-Tek.

MBC uses Hi-Tek. 

If I were going to start loading .40, I would want to start with 165gr bullets. I would want to load coated lead.  And I would want my coated lead bullets grooveless.

That would leave me with Black Bullets International, SNS Casting, and Bayou Bullets.

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2017, 09:41:47 PM »
I load the 175gr SWC and 180gr TC Coated bullets form MBC using 4.2gr of W231......Easy shooting and VERY accurate in my 75B.

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2017, 08:17:16 PM »
So far, the only lead bullets I've shot in my CZ .40's (P07, P09 and TS) are the Missouri Bullet Co. 140 grain bullets.  I've got a few boxes in the garage.

The reason for the 140's is because they are close in weight to the only jacketed hollow points I've loaded for my CZ .40's - the Nosler 135 grain hollow points. 

I use a different powder for my lead rounds.  I've loaded both lead and the coated lead.  Can't tell a difference in them.  The barrels on the P07 and P09 seem to be highly polished (or something) as the barrels have some unburned powder in them after a trip to the range, but no leading - and they look shiny, too.

Anyway, I used Herco for my powder when using the 140 grain bullets.

I've got some 180 grain lead bullets to try, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 10:58:09 PM »
The 175gr SWC load I mentioned above was shared with me by David Milam when he “Cajunized” my 75B in 40 S&W and I think we’d all agree David knows a bit about CZs.  He wasn’t wrong.

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2018, 05:26:19 PM »
I load the 175gr SWC and 180gr TC Coated bullets form MBC using 4.2gr of W231......Easy shooting and VERY accurate in my 75B.

Hi...I don't see a 175 grain TC bullet from the MBC page...I see a 155 and a 170  (in plain lead and in coated ) but no 175...am I missing something?  Thanks
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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2018, 07:31:28 PM »
I load the 175gr SWC and 180gr TC Coated bullets form MBC using 4.2gr of W231......Easy shooting and VERY accurate in my 75B.

Hi...I don't see a 175 grain TC bullet from the MBC page...I see a 155 and a 170  (in plain lead and in coated ) but no 175...am I missing something?  Thanks
kerncat
The 175gr SWC load I mentioned above was shared with me by David Milam when he “Cajunized” my 75B in 40 S&W and I think we’d all agree David knows a bit about CZs.  He wasn’t wrong.
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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2018, 09:46:27 PM »
Two different bullets: 175 SWC and 180 TC, but I use the same powder charge of W231 with both and see no difference in performance or accuracy.  I shoot more SWC than TC.  I’m sure there is a slight difference in velocity, but I don’t have a chrono to measure.



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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2018, 10:42:40 AM »
Have you seen any difficulty loading th 75B with the SWC?   Is it an 18 BHN with the coating?

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2018, 11:40:17 AM »
This is the MBC bullet:  http://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=218&category=20&secondary=11&keywords=  Actually, it is 170gr.  I just bought the SNS Casting equivalent and it is 175gr, so that was on my mind in the first mention above.  The MBC run fine in all my .40S&W pistols, including my 75B.  Probably the most accurate in the 75B.  If you want to try them without ordering at least 500, then MBC offers "Sample Packs" of 100: http://missouribullet.com/results.php?category=22
     

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2018, 12:38:21 AM »
Have you seen any difficulty loading th 75B with the SWC?   Is it an 18 BHN with the coating?

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I've shot quite a few Lee 145 SWC's (actually dropped closer to 155, IIRC in my 75B .40.  Very accurate and fed well.



For .40, I've really come to like 150-165 grain bullets.  I've shot the gamut, from 135-180.  In my testing, the 150-165 grain loads have been the most accurate, the slide returns to battery quicker, and sights come back on target quicker (at 170 PF).

And don't get too caught up on BHN with cast bullets.  You could shoot a BHN 12 and a BHN 24 and never notice a lick of difference between the two in handgun applications...especially in coated bullets.

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2018, 08:39:00 AM »
Thanks  to all who posted and gave me information...I will get a sample pack from MB and go from there
As to hardness, I load the 45 acp 12 hardness "Missouri Cowboy #4 coated) in 200 grain...and it's a wonderful load....I guess I was concerned about the higher pressures in the .40 and that prompted my concern about hardness.

The SWC was a bit of a problem in the 75B (as I recall) a number of years ago...seems the angle of the feed would have the edges on the SWC hang up on occasion..haven't loaded  any for a long time..glad to hear the swc is a good load...I'll "report back" on what my results are from my test...

Thanks again..this is a great forum with knowledgable folks..and it helps.

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2018, 09:53:32 AM »
My 75B .40 S&W was purchased new as a Bi-Tone in Mid-2012 and sent to CGW to be Cajunized.  It has always been fed a steady diet of cast lead SWC reloads.  The first were conventionally wax lubed cast bullets but all I use now are the Hi-Tek coated.  So far as I know, CGW didn't do anything to adjust the feed ramp on the barrel when they had it in for work.   Hope this helps.   

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Re: Loading high tech coating lead in .40 for a 75b
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2018, 07:53:01 PM »
I'm hooked on Angus Hobdell's 40 load.

Missouri 170 grain coated over 3.3 Bullseye (or N310).

Shoots lights out in my 75B .40 S&W.

Won a bullseye match first time out with it.

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