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Offline YoungGun

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2018, 04:10:10 PM »

Nope nothing wrong with the plastic guide rod. Some of us just prefer metal.

This.  I prefer metal guide rod.

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2018, 05:28:59 PM »
Well I sorta thought the same and put a steel one in the P-01...

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2018, 08:23:49 PM »
Many years back, CZ's head gunsmith, a fellow named Mike Eagleshield, said that the use of a steel guide rod in an alloy framed CZ could cause problems, by causing wear to the receiver stop (i.e., the place where the guide rod rests as the slide goes back).  Any such damage would not be covered by warranty.  That is why, at least at the time, CZ would not knowingly sell a CZ-made metal guide rod to someone with a PCR.  (The P-01s came later, and that alloy frame was forged, not cast -- that frame might have been more wear resistant.   Mike said he had seen a case or two of that sort of damage -- but nothing widespread.   I've not heard of a  definitive answer from CZ on this topic in the years since that original disussion (which can be found in the archives, here).  Someone on a different forum said that he had heard that CZ now says it's OK, but that's hearsay.

That said, Mike Eagleshield also suggested using a heavier recoil spring if we were concerned about breaking a slide stop.  I've since come to believe that his advice is likely to increase the possibility of breakage, not lessen it -- as that slide will slam closed (against the stop) with greater force when a heavier spring is used.  But maybe I'm wrong?

Does ANGUS HOBDELL have  anything to add on this subject?  He certainly has the right kind of connections to get a proper answer if he doesn't know the "official" CZ line.   David Milam at CGW is a wizard with CZs, and knows a lot, so his opinion (cited earlier in this discussion) can't be ignored.

IBut I'm not sure that everything we know about CZs is EVERYTHING we need to know.   

Case in point:  a recent discussion here on the forum about damaged firing pin retention roll pins kind of made that clear.  For example,  it may be that the notch cut in the firing pin (which allows the use of a roll pin rather than a fiirng pin stop plate to retain the firing pin) is simply not long enough -- and lengthening that notch may make the problem go away.  (Some years ago, that was a solution used by members of this forum.  One of the forum members modified the pins for forum members, and the problem seemed to go away for THOSE owners/guns.  I used one of those pins, and promptly forgot about the issue.  I later broke a firing pin retention roll pin in a 40B...and didn't even remember about the earlier "solution.")

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2023, 05:39:26 PM »
I've had my PCR for 7 years with the same plastic guide rod and have never had any problems. When I finally get my steel frame P-01, it will also sport a plastic guide rod.

Just my experience but wanted to share
Ditto, I will continue to use the CZ OEM engineered plastic Recoil Guide rod in my PCR as well as all my other CZ'z.

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2023, 05:59:53 PM »
were can I find an aluminum recoil guide rod for my PCR and other CZ's

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2023, 11:08:39 AM »
Good to see Walt here again.  Amen on the steel guide - people love to tweak and sometimes induce trouble - and the plastic one is fine. 

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2023, 04:20:14 PM »
Good to see Walt here again.  Amen on the steel guide - people love to tweak and sometimes induce trouble - and the plastic one is fine.
My oldest PCR just exceeded 30,000 rnds and has had a stainless steel guide rod in it since it was new with ZERO wear or any other adverse issue. Y'all ought to look on the CZ-USA sight now and then and you'd see even CZ offers a metal guide rod now.

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2023, 04:59:46 PM »
My oldest PCR just exceeded 30,000 rnds and has had a stainless steel guide rod in it since it was new with ZERO wear or any other adverse issue. Y'all ought to look on the CZ-USA sight now and then and you'd see even CZ offers a metal guide rod now.

I'd be interested to see wear pics and also a detail of what lube you use.

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2023, 05:03:14 PM »
Gotta ask: what is the point of the stainless guide rod in CZ Compacts? Are the plastic ones a point if failure?

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Nope nothing wrong with the plastic guide rod. Some of us just prefer metal.

Adds more weight to the front of the gun helping to reduce muzzle flip.   Less concern of harsher lubricants damaging the rod vs plastic (if you like to grease/oil yours).  Generally less friction with high polish metal vs common plastic guide rods (though there are self-lubricating plastics).

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2023, 05:07:53 PM »
My two cents is that the plastic guide rod is a designed point of failure and wear item like your recoil springs...  Replace at same time.

Metal ones are permanent additions that could conceptually cause damage if you neglect to timely replace your recoil springs or run way too lightly sprung ones.  But again they're permanent and unlikely to be a point of failure.

Generally speaking, I try to have a metal guide rod for every handgun as a permanent item in my spare parts kit, but may and often do also run plastic guide rods -- especially with OEM captured springs or with aluminum frames.  In polymer frames, generally the guide rod interfaces with the steel barrel and steel frame inserts, so I see no issue in that circumstance, and I also have no issue w/ steel guide rods in steel frames.

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2023, 05:43:41 PM »
My oldest PCR just exceeded 30,000 rnds and has had a stainless steel guide rod in it since it was new with ZERO wear or any other adverse issue. Y'all ought to look on the CZ-USA sight now and then and you'd see even CZ offers a metal guide rod now.

I'd be interested to see wear pics and also a detail of what lube you use.
I've never signed up for an image hosting site nor have I ever been inclined to post pics of my guns on the internet. My guns get cleaned and lubed after each range session without fail so they are always slick and clean. I've used Remoil, CLP, and the like. Generally whatever is on sale cheap. That the gun is kept clean and oiled is what is MOST important not the use of some super duper this stuff will stop all wear lube of the day.

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2023, 06:54:57 PM »
I've never signed up for an image hosting site nor have I ever been inclined to post pics of my guns on the internet. My guns get cleaned and lubed after each range session without fail so they are always slick and clean. I've used Remoil, CLP, and the like. Generally whatever is on sale cheap. That the gun is kept clean and oiled is what is MOST important not the use of some super duper this stuff will stop all wear lube of the day.

It's refreshing to finally hear of someone who isn't bragging that their gun hasn't been cleaned in a year, that it's in fact rarely cleaned, just like the rest of their guns. Usually followed by how many hundreds of rounds since cleaning.
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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2023, 06:04:58 PM »
Gotta ask: what is the point of the stainless guide rod in CZ Compacts? Are the plastic ones a point if failure?

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They can cause problems depending on the type of gun.  I bought a 40P years ago at a steep discount because it would not cycle reliably.  The problem turned out to be the plastic guide rod had weakened and was flexing badly enough to cause failures.  I replaced it with a custom stainless steel guide rod, and it's been perfect through over 700 rounds since.


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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2023, 06:20:59 AM »
I've never signed up for an image hosting site nor have I ever been inclined to post pics of my guns on the internet. My guns get cleaned and lubed after each range session without fail so they are always slick and clean. I've used Remoil, CLP, and the like. Generally whatever is on sale cheap. That the gun is kept clean and oiled is what is MOST important not the use of some super duper this stuff will stop all wear lube of the day.

The benefits of clean and lubed are greatly underestimated.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2023, 06:07:52 PM by Wobbly »
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Aluminum vs Steel Guide rod in my PCR
« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2023, 06:39:33 PM »
If you guys (I'm looking at you, SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM & Bonj), can't be civil on this forum, then you're going to be sitting it out for a while. Bonj, you're already on thin ice with that auction malarkey in the classifieds, so please don't test my patience.

I'm getting mighty tired of this juvenile snarking.
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