Upgrades and when are they taken too far?

[DangerousDad007]

I have always been a big proponent of practice and knowledge makes perfect. When it comes to guns I do think that a CC(or any shooter) should be able to shoot proficiently with any handgun while it is factory stock condition, However I?m completely on board and understanding, that if you can do something that will increase a skill that is already good to make it great is nothing to shy away from. But my question is at what point does adding practical upgrades turn into changing the gun all together and become unnecessary.
 
    For example my cz p-10c is by far my favorite pistol, rivals my Walther ppq?s trigger, ergonomic as my p-01, and after about 7,000 rounds not a single hiccup. Believe it or not I actually wish the texture was more aggressive all the way around the grip, leads me to want stippling to make my favorite gun better, HBI makes a flat theta trigger wich makes the travel less(do not want to change any internal springs) and a great trigger could become even better, lastly trijicon rmr06 has always proven to be durable, reliable, and assist with quick accurate shots for me.

    All are practical simple upgrades, but all together that?s a new trigger, different grip and texture and now, new sights and RMR added. Am I altering my favorite pistol to assist me as a concealed carrier, and defensive shooter, or now changing the firearm all together making it no longer the p-10 I?ve come to love.

[s0nspark]

Only you can decide.

My priorities with upgrades are reliability first and then performance and comfort.

I have upgraded my P-07s with CGW prograde kits, X300U-Bs, RM07s and Primary Machine comps. All gains as far as my experience with them has shown.

Can I still shoot well with a stock gun? Sure ... but any advantage that costs me nothing more than a little time and money is well worth it IMO.

[cremaley]

My upgrades to my P-10 include a HBI flat trigger with a 3 pounds striker spring on my CGW tool steel striker and a Gray Guns super black stainless steel guide rod with a 15 pound recoil spring. The net result is a smooth trigger with an average pull of 3 pounds 14 ounces reduced uptake and short reset. I definitely don't think that I have gone too far with these upgrades but then its always a matter of personal choice.

[Raining_Brass]

There?s no such thing as ?too much? or ?unnecessary? as it?s all in what the owner deems that to be. Not speaking to anyone in here directly, but far too many people in our community seem to worry too much about why and what other people are doing with their guns. Not everyone cares about training, carrying, etc as some people are only into guns for a purely hobby stand point. And there?s absolutely nothing wrong with that. We do still live in a free country (for now at least) where you can do just that. They?re not worried about attending a pistol class 3 or 4 times a year.

I know I went on a rant there but the negativity in our community over what people do with their own guns and hard earned money is just insane. As firearm owners we?ve got enough crap to worry about from outside our community. No reason to be attaching one another within about dumb things like how ?stupid? it is to have a punisher skull on your gun.

[Earl Keese]

If you like your P10 the way it is, leave it. The trigger in mine isn't good. I won't wait and see if I will "come to love" a gun. I mod it until it's what I want. On a side note, how does the HBI trigger shorten reset? Are there additional parts that come with it?

[miller_man]

This is a topic that keeps gun forums alive and well 

When it comes to guns I do think that a CC(or any shooter) should be able to shoot proficiently with any handgun
  How about we really open the can of worms and define exactly what this means?    

   


 Am I altering my favorite pistol to assist me as a concealed carrier, and defensive shooter, or now changing the firearm all together

Everyone probably has their own opinion on exactly where that line would fall, but really your the only one that can decide. And pretty much the only one it will matter to.

[cremaley]

If you like your P10 the way it is, leave it. The trigger in mine isn't good. I won't wait and see if I will "come to love" a gun. I mod it until it's what I want. On a side note, how does the HBI trigger shorten reset? Are there additional parts that come with it?

Not sure that the HBI trigger shortens reset but it dose come with a 3.5 pound and a 3 pound striker spring.

[Winkel]

I get what you're saying but like RB said, for many it's a hobby.  Some people feed money to a truck or car like it's on life support only to never really truly test the mods they've spent their hard earned money on.

Some of us buy another gun.  I can see where someone might have $1,000 in a $500 gun but I don't really see how that's much different than going out and buying another 9mm the next year. 

Heck, I have five CZ 9mms.  I could have saved a lot of money by buying just two and upgrading to my heart's content.

Not blasting here but to each their own.  We don't all reason the same, which is what makes us great on the whole.

[DWARREN]

Individual preferences rule here. I do sights and extra mags and that is about it.
Just my preference.

[Tanners Owner]

I agree with many of the sentiments posted here. Customization is a personal decision, often for personal reasons and tastes.  The only one needing to be happy with the customization is the one paying for it. No one else has a dog in that hunt.

Now, if customizing for resale- that?s another topic

[Winkel]

I agree with many of the sentiments posted here. Customization is a personal decision, often for personal reasons and tastes.  The only one needing to be happy with the customization is the one paying for it. No one else has a dog in that hunt.

Now, if customizing for resale- that?s another topic

Indeed.  But it's my belief that the resale payback on customization is rarely realized.

[r1dramma]

My P10 ran flawlessly b4 any of the upgrades, my reason for the mods, simple I like to tinker with things. Some people like stock and some people like mods!

P 10 upgrades list

CGW Tritium Front Sight 
CGW Tritium Rear Sight
CGW Tool Steel Striker
Gray Guns Super Black guide rod with 15lb competition spring
HBI Trigger
3lb striker spring
Talon Grips

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[s0nspark]

Now, if customizing for resale- that?s another topic

Indeed.  But it's my belief that the resale payback on customization is rarely realized.

That has certainly been my experience...

[Litshoot]

I've never seen upgrades payback in resale, cars, guns, put 1000 in get 500 back, if your lucky

I'm a fan of tinkering, anything that I proves the gun and is free gets done quickly, parts take some thought and a lot of back and fourth, Cgw pro kit and other parts have been in the cart 3 or 4 times so far in the 3 months I've had the gun.

[pdq5oh]

I make changes to my guns to improve how they shoot for me. This includes any mod to any part of a gun. If I want to improve how a pistol feels in my hand I do what I can to affect that. To me this is of the utmost importance. I refuse to risk reliability or safety however. I realize the mods I make are for ME. If I choose to sell I understand I may lose all the money I put into the gun. But as long as I had it the gun was the way I wanted it. BTW, I leave some guns pretty much stock as I don't feel I need to make changes.