P-10C HBI and CGW Triggers Compared

[earlan357]

So I've been running HBI triggers in both of my P-10Cs since they were first released.  I have the earlier version with the "fangs" at the bottom.  I received my CGW trigger last night and did a little video on it.  Just data points and initial observations since I had not shot it yet. The triggers feel pretty much identical in terms of pre-travel, break, reset, and over-travel.  The weight comes out the same too.  Neither give me "trigger pinch" like the factory one does.  The only caveat about the CGW trigger is that the trigger safety spring isn't captured.  You have to use the pre-travel adjustment screw to prevent the trigger from going to far forward and releasing the safety.  It happens around 4:55 in the video.  The HBI has a raised boss that serves the same purpose, though obviously not adjustable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_JbK4rcn8

I shot it a bit today along with my M&P and Glock.  I didn't notice any difference in performance with the CGW vs the HBI trigger.  I think the flat, wide profile of the HBI trigger is better suited to people who shoot with the pad of their finger.  If you shoot with the first joint, the rounded profile of the CGW might be more comfortable.  While the trigger distance is the same between the two, the HBI feels longer since your finger has to go a farther distance around the 90 degree corner instead of the rounded corner on the CGW. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuqK3lFqkbs

[cremaley]

Excellent review. I think I will stick with my HBI flat trigger with the fangs at the bottom. Using that trigger with the CGW tool steel striker with a 3 pound striker spring and a Gray Guns super black stainless steel guide rod with 15 pound spring my trigger is averaging 3 pounds 14 ounces on my Layman digital scale. Could not be happier with the set up. Again thanks for taking the time to share your informative video.

[Earl Keese]

Excellent review. I think I will stick with my HBI flat trigger with the fangs at the bottom. Using that trigger with the CGW tool steel striker with a 3 pound striker spring and a Gray Guns super black stainless steel guide rod with 15 pound spring my trigger is averaging 3 pounds 14 ounces on my Layman digital scale. Could not be happier with the set up. Again thanks for taking the time to share your informative video.

Do you think a recoil rod and spring affect trigger pull weight?

[fflmike]

Great review.  I too have the HBi trigger with the 3lb striker spring, CGW guide rod with the 15lb recoil spring, the CGW tool steel striker and T block.  Shoots fabulous and the trigger breaks like glass right at 4lbs.

[fflmike]

Do you think a recoil rod and spring affect trigger pull weight?

The recoil spring might reduce the trigger pull a couple of ounces but very little.  It does help with the guns timing though.

[Earl Keese]

Do you think a recoil rod and spring affect trigger pull weight?

The recoil spring might reduce the trigger pull a couple of ounces but very little.  It does help with the guns timing though.

How would a recoil spring reduce trigger pull weight?

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[fflmike]

Probably doesn't.  I polished a few parts better and that was probably where the difference came from.

[cremaley]

Excellent review. I think I will stick with my HBI flat trigger with the fangs at the bottom. Using that trigger with the CGW tool steel striker with a 3 pound striker spring and a Gray Guns super black stainless steel guide rod with 15 pound spring my trigger is averaging 3 pounds 14 ounces on my Layman digital scale. Could not be happier with the set up. Again thanks for taking the time to share your informative video.

Do you think a recoil rod and spring affect trigger pull weight?

With the stock set up my trigger pull was 5 pounds 8 ounces. Once I installed the HBI trigger with a 3.5 pound striker spring it dropped to 4 pounds 8 ounces. I then decided to change out the stock striker with the CGW tool steel striker and changed the striker spring to 3 pounds and added the Gray Guns stainless steel guide rod with 15 pound spring. That combination changed the trigger pull to 4 pounds 12 ounces. Hard to say which one of those changes had the biggest effect on lowering the trigger pull but if I had to guess I would think its the tool steel striker and 3 pound striker spring. In the end I wound up with what I was looking for a smooth trigger pull of around 4 pounds with reduced take up and short reset. This combination may not be for everyone but for me its just perfect.

[Earl Keese]

A recoil spring and guide rod have no effect whatsoever on trigger pull weight.

[wyoung]

Hopefully CGW will release a trigger variant with the safety being captured and maybe no set screw. I know you can loctite the screw in there but if you're right on the edge of the safety falling out and the screw moves a little...no bueno.

[cremaley]

Hopefully CGW will release a trigger variant with the safety being captured and maybe no set screw. I know you can loctite the screw in there but if you're right on the edge of the safety falling out and the screw moves a little...no bueno.

Totally agree!

[Indy_Tim]

I replaced the HBI trigger in my range P10C with the CGW trigger last night.  With the HBI trigger and the heavier of the two springs it came with, I was getting a consistent 3lb 10oz pull.  With everything else identical, and the CGW trigger installed, the pull is now a consistent 4lb flat.  I'm moving the HBI trigger over to my carry P10, which will still run the stock striker spring (for now).  Once I do that, I'll be able to shoot them side by side to see what the difference in feel there might be, if any exists in mine.  Both of my P10s run the CGW tool steel striker and T-block but are otherwise stock.  The range P10 has about 2200 rounds through it right now with the carry P10 at about 350.  I did de-fang my HBI trigger and really like the feel of the flat face now.

[cremaley]

I replaced the HBI trigger in my range P10C with the CGW trigger last night.  With the HBI trigger and the heavier of the two springs it came with, I was getting a consistent 3lb 10oz pull.  With everything else identical, and the CGW trigger installed, the pull is now a consistent 4lb flat.  I'm moving the HBI trigger over to my carry P10, which will still run the stock striker spring (for now).  Once I do that, I'll be able to shoot them side by side to see what the difference in feel there might be, if any exists in mine.  Both of my P10s run the CGW tool steel striker and T-block but are otherwise stock.  The range P10 has about 2200 rounds through it right now with the carry P10 at about 350.  I did de-fang my HBI trigger and really like the feel of the flat face now.

I have the HBI trigger with the fang on my P-10 and I'm really interested in the results of your side by side comparison. BTW the fang does not bother me at all. In fact I kinda like it.

[s0nspark]

Given the length of my fingers and the way I shoot, looks like I made the right call on triggers ;-) I'll be installing my CGW trigger sometime this week...

Thanks much, Earl, for the side by side with details!

[Indy_Tim]

After a whole lot of dry fire today (just can't put that dang thing down, it's so sweet) the pull of the CGW trigger now matches what I was getting from the HBI that came before it.