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Offline EdMGardner

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First range visit with the PCR, and more
« on: March 20, 2018, 02:34:04 PM »
Went to a nearby outdoor range on Friday, to shoot the PCR for the first time with real bullets instead of a laser cartridge (which was also fun, "shooting" in the living room and seeing the results on an iPhone, to help get used to the trigger).

I had picked up a Ruger Mark IV Hunter a few days after the CZ, and installed a $17 red-dot reflex sight on a Ruger factory Picatinny rail on it, before ever shooting either of the guns, so it was almost a comparison sort of exercise as well as a familiarization trip.  First of all, they are both excellent, if different, kinds of guns, and they both have nice, if different, triggers.  The CZ feels a bit more comfortable in the hand, but is harder for me to get on target with the factory 3-dot sights by a lot.  I am naturally far-sighted, and the view of the target in sharp focus with a glowing dot on it, also in sharp focus, is a much more deadly combination than sharp iron pistol sights seen through reading glasses with a blurry target in the background.  The "red dot" sight, even a Chinese knock-off, is "da Bomb" compared to 3-dot iron sights that are not adjustable.  Whoever invented these sights deserves a 12-pack of beer for good work.  Now I need to find a compact one for my CZ that will hold up to the recoil (and hold zero) and figure out how to mount it without altering the slide, if possible.  Since, unlike the Ruger, the CZ slide will jerk with every shot, I don't know if I would trust a $17 Chinese red-dot type sight to hold up, on what is a potential carry gun; small size is also a major consideration for concealment.  Any suggestions based on your experiences?

As for the firing of the CZ, it was flawless, no failures of any kind, using 115 grain round-nose brass-case ammo from my LGS, about 100 rounds.  Moderate recoil due to the light weight; no discomfort thanks to the palm-swell factory grips.  Didn't try any SD ammo yet, but I will pick up a box of that on the next trip to LGS to confirm its satisfactory reliability in operation.  Groups were pretty tight for the distance to target; I assume that most of the variance was due to "pilot error", not anything to do with the gun, at this stage of familiarity with the sights and trigger.  The groups were definitely tighter with the Ruger using the red-dot sight, and time-to-fire between rounds was shorter due to faster target acquisition and virtually no recoil jump to gun or sights.  I think both of these guns are "keepers", because I like the way both of them shoot and both of them look, though they look quite different from each other.

After a few rounds of .380ACP in the plastic Ruger LCP, to remind myself of how bad a trigger and recoil can actually be, I ended the day by knocking down some quarter sized groups with my scoped 45 year-old lever-action Winchester 9422 rifle, so I could take home at least one target to brag about. LOL

Lots of gun fun, on a nice sunny Florida spring day.

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Offline Obiwan

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Re: First range visit with the PCR, and more
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2018, 10:40:01 PM »
I shoot almost exclusively with focus on target, not front-sight. At least with hand guns and shot guns. With rifles using iron sights, I do focus more on the front-sight, though find myself "zooming" to target and back. I typically use red dots on rifles though.

For hand guns, I tried front-sight-focus, but it's not for me. I'm faster with target focus and just as accurate. The trick there is to have very visible dots, either fiber optic only, or fiber optic and tritium combo. (not the standard painted stuff)

That's exactly what I have on my PCR. It sports a set of Truglo TFX sights, which are fiber optic backed by tritium vials. (green dots, front sight with white ring, not yellow). Because of the visibility of the dots, it's very easy to align them properly while maintaining focus on the target.

You might want to try a good set of fiber optic sights before jumping to a red dot. (although there's nothing wrong with doing so. :)

Oh, and the Ruger is a fine gun. My first handgun was a Ruger 22/45. I put Williams Firesights on it (fiber optic, red rear, green front) and those have been great. (I actually like them better than other fiber optic sights since they are smaller but brilliant dots. Makes for more precise sight alignment, which is especially useful for the Ruger since that thing is a tackdriver!)

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Re: First range visit with the PCR, and more
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 10:01:51 PM »
I shoot almost exclusively with focus on target, not front-sight. At least with hand guns and shot guns. With rifles using iron sights, I do focus more on the front-sight, though find myself "zooming" to target and back. I typically use red dots on rifles though.

For hand guns, I tried front-sight-focus, but it's not for me. I'm faster with target focus and just as accurate. The trick there is to have very visible dots, either fiber optic only, or fiber optic and tritium combo. (not the standard painted stuff)

That's exactly what I have on my PCR. It sports a set of Truglo TFX sights, which are fiber optic backed by tritium vials. (green dots, front sight with white ring, not yellow). Because of the visibility of the dots, it's very easy to align them properly while maintaining focus on the target.

You might want to try a good set of fiber optic sights before jumping to a red dot. (although there's nothing wrong with doing so. :)

Oh, and the Ruger is a fine gun. My first handgun was a Ruger 22/45. I put Williams Firesights on it (fiber optic, red rear, green front) and those have been great. (I actually like them better than other fiber optic sights since they are smaller but brilliant dots. Makes for more precise sight alignment, which is especially useful for the Ruger since that thing is a tackdriver!)

Interested if you had any installation issues or issues with sights being off. I contacted TruGlo and this is the response I received:

?The TG13CZ1A and TG13CZ1PC sights are not recommended for the CZ 75D PCR model.
 
Sights can be fitted into the front and rear dovetails, however, when installed there will be significant gapping between the sight(s) structures and slide, as well as potential POI issues.
 
For these reasons, we do not recommend, or warranty the installation of our handgun sights on this model.?

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First range visit with the PCR, and more
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 10:53:11 PM »
Same exact email I got from TG.

The only installation issue was the set screw seemed too short so I bought longer ones.

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Re: First range visit with the PCR, and more
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2019, 06:48:32 AM »
OP, it sounds like your eyes are good enough for SD with irons.  Just need practice keepimg the gun steady while pulling the trigger.  Rather than a red dot, perhaps practice point shooting, no sights at a bad guy target 5-7 yard away with a more deliberate trigger pull fast enough where you don't feel all the stacking & creep.  Instinctively, you'll be holding the grip tighter as well..  You might be surprised what groups you're capable of without even using the sights

I do have a red dot sight on my souped up range gun, for slower trigger presses at distance, tight groups.   The single plane of focus does wonders.  I just don't think it's required on a SD gun.  YMMV and you'll hear from the guys who love them on SD pistols soon.

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Re: First range visit with the PCR, and more
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2019, 05:13:33 PM »
Interested if you had any installation issues or issues with sights being off. I contacted TruGlo and this is the response I received:

?The TG13CZ1A and TG13CZ1PC sights are not recommended for the CZ 75D PCR model.
 
Sights can be fitted into the front and rear dovetails, however, when installed there will be significant gapping between the sight(s) structures and slide, as well as potential POI issues.
 
For these reasons, we do not recommend, or warranty the installation of our handgun sights on this model.?

Sorry, I didn't install the sights. I bought the gun from a local forum member with the sights already installed. (It was a 200 round safe-queen that he needed to let go. A low round-count, well cared for, PCR with the sights I wanted... how lucky was that? :)  All I did after purchase was to replace the stainless-steel guide rod he put in with the factory plastic rod, replaced the serrated trigger with a 85c, and replaced the rubber grips with nice walnut grips. Plus polishing internals, feed ramp, hood and barrel.

I have not had any problems with the sights though. No idea if he used a different set screw, but the sights are tight and I have no POI issues.
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