Possible to throat a barrel too long?

[Underwhere]

Yep. I had to buy a new reamer.

The cost to ship and re-cut my reamer just wasn't worth it so I ordered a new one after talking to Manson Reamers today. They were very nice about it and didn't laugh too hard.

So nitrided and hard chromed barrels are a no-go with reamers.
FYI: Carbide crowning tools are ok to use on hard chrome. Not so much with nitride.


Here I think you can see the rounded edge of the reamer.

Did you buy the same reamer or the special one for nitrided barrels?

You ask really good questions. I didn't think they had one for nitrided barrels (and the didn't tell me about one)

[1SOW]

Not trying to be a smart alec, jmho.   Unless I was shooting an open class 9mm major power factor load to run a comp,,  I can't find  a good  reason to modify  the chamber of a great pistol around the bullet.   

Is that bullet significantly  "better shooting or more accurate"" than ammo that fits the CZ competition pistol chambers?

[Underwhere]

Not trying to be a smart alec, jmho.   Unless I was shooting an open class 9mm major power factor load to run a comp,,  I can't find  a good  reason to modify  the chamber of a great pistol around the bullet.   

Is that bullet significantly  "better shooting or more accurate"" than ammo that fits the CZ competition pistol chambers?

Nope I just had a lot of it and it ran fine in my other guns. Didn't want to pull them all.

And then I figured that I wanted guns that could eat anything.

[Scarlett Pistol]

I see where you're coming from, having purchased and used a reamer.

On the flip side there are lots of other bullets. An Example is a newer company a bunch of members are testing out called Gallant Bullets. Their coated bullets are designed with a shape to better accommodate CZ chambers. They give our forum a 10% off code, and if you buy bulk Eli will match bulk pricing (he matched Acme bulk pricing for me). That could save you having to ream your S2....

The caveat: I am cheap and have been running 115 gr bullets from Berry's. The ones I ordered from Gallant are also 115 gr so I haven't needed to consider reaming any more chambers. I know, 115's will provide a sharper recoil impulse, but after shooting 10mm a bunch I realized that 115 gr 9mm recoil in my SP-01 felt like a 22 compared to full house 10mm. That's the fair explanation of my situation in all of this.     

[Underwhere]

I see where you're coming from, having purchased and used a reamer.

On the flip side there are lots of other bullets. An Example is a newer company a bunch of members are testing out called Gallant Bullets. Their coated bullets are designed with a shape to better accommodate CZ chambers. They give our forum a 10% off code, and if you buy bulk Eli will match bulk pricing (he matched Acme bulk pricing for me). That could save you having to ream your S2....

The caveat: I am cheap and have been running 115 gr bullets from Berry's. The ones I ordered from Gallant are also 115 gr so I haven't needed to consider reaming any more chambers. I know, 115's will provide a sharper recoil impulse, but after shooting 10mm a bunch I realized that 115 gr 9mm recoil in my SP-01 felt like a 22 compared to full house 10mm. That's the fair explanation of my situation in all of this.   

Makes sense.

I operate a bit differently. I don't like the idea of having to worry about ammo or the notion that I may have ammo laying around my house that potentially will not work with a specific gun. At some point I'll forget what gun needs what ammo and end up with problems.

While I can certainly find and buy ammo that would work with my S2 I have more guns than my S2. It shouldn't get special treatment. So I think I'll send the barrel out at some point.

On the flipside:
I also don't modify any of my guns to the point where I require light primers only. All of mine can ignite anything (maybe not Wolff but no one uses those). I can still manage a sub 2 pound trigger with my mods.

[Scarlett Pistol]

Sure, that makes sense. May not be what I am doing now, but I won?t fault ya or anyone taking that approach.

[1SOW]

It's why we reload.  No one can fault doing so to meet "your" shooting preferences.

My SD pistol is able to shoot anything 9mm meeting and maybe exceeding SAAMI standards,  and I wouldn't have it any other way.
My fun-guns are tuned and loaded so I can mostly avoid embarassing myself in public...most of the time.
My pellet rifle "only" likes expensive heavier pellets,  but the squirrel count is still climbing steadily.

[Earl Keese]

  A 2lb SA trigger pull can be achieved with the OEM hammer spring. Springing it lightly enough that it requires match primers is done to lower the DA pull.
  Keeping the ammo segregated is an additional concern, but one load doesn't work for all purposes. My SD/HD guns are loaded with premium SD ammo. I also have ammo loaded hot for SD practice, pistol match ammo with Fed primers, and carbine match ammo. The carbine for example shoots almost 200fps faster with a pistol load, which makes dot bounce unacceptable in a match setting. So for me, loading one round for all of my guns is impractical. I do try to stick to one profile and if possible, the same OAL.
  I did grab carbine ammo by mistake for a pistol match once and had to return home to get the correct ammo. To remedy that in the future, I'm trying Gallant bullets since they're available in multiple colors. I might run into more oal issues if I was using heavier bullets, but Gallant 135's chamber in all my guns. I don't generally see a need for anything heavier than 124gr. So far I haven't had a reason to ream chambers. We all have different requirements though.

[Underwhere]

  A 2lb SA trigger pull can be achieved with the OEM hammer spring. Springing it lightly enough that it requires match primers is done to lower the DA pull.
  Keeping the ammo segregated is an additional concern, but one load doesn't work for all purposes. My SD/HD guns are loaded with premium SD ammo. I also have ammo loaded hot for SD practice, pistol match ammo with Fed primers, and carbine match ammo. The carbine for example shoots almost 200fps faster with a pistol load, which makes dot bounce unacceptable in a match setting. So for me, loading one round for all of my guns is impractical. I do try to stick to one profile and if possible, the same OAL.
  I did grab carbine ammo by mistake for a pistol match once and had to return home to get the correct ammo. To remedy that in the future, I'm trying Gallant bullets since they're available in multiple colors. I might run into more oal issues if I was using heavier bullets, but Gallant 135's chamber in all my guns. I don't generally see a need for anything heavier than 124gr. So far I haven't had a reason to ream chambers. We all have different requirements though.

My Shadow 2 runs a stock hammer spring but with polishing and other components is under 2 pounds. I was quite surprised with that.

As far as ammo is concerned. Even my competition loads work with all of my handguns so I actually can run the same ammo in all guns.

I guess I just don't push the limits.

[Earl Keese]

  A 2lb SA trigger pull can be achieved with the OEM hammer spring. Springing it lightly enough that it requires match primers is done to lower the DA pull.
  Keeping the ammo segregated is an additional concern, but one load doesn't work for all purposes. My SD/HD guns are loaded with premium SD ammo. I also have ammo loaded hot for SD practice, pistol match ammo with Fed primers, and carbine match ammo. The carbine for example shoots almost 200fps faster with a pistol load, which makes dot bounce unacceptable in a match setting. So for me, loading one round for all of my guns is impractical. I do try to stick to one profile and if possible, the same OAL.
  I did grab carbine ammo by mistake for a pistol match once and had to return home to get the correct ammo. To remedy that in the future, I'm trying Gallant bullets since they're available in multiple colors. I might run into more oal issues if I was using heavier bullets, but Gallant 135's chamber in all my guns. I don't generally see a need for anything heavier than 124gr. So far I haven't had a reason to ream chambers. We all have different requirements though.

My Shadow 2 runs a stock hammer spring but with polishing and other components is under 2 pounds. I was quite surprised with that.

As far as ammo is concerned. Even my competition loads work with all of my handguns so I actually can run the same ammo in all guns.

I guess I just don't push the limits.

  Right, but what is the DA pull? The hammer spring has almost zero effect on SA pull. I'm sure the DA in your S2 is nice, but a spring change would lower it. My DA pull is under 5lbs.
 To be honest, I could train myself with a heavier DA pull and probably should. My match ammo will run in all my guns, but my DA/SA match guns won't run my other ammo 100% simply due to needing match primers. I bought a bunch of S&B primers on sale so I use them when I can. When they're gone, I'll likely switch to Winchester primers and spring accordingly.

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[Underwhere]

My S2 has been converted over to SA.

About the best I can do DA / SA is 5 pounds  2 ounces DA and 2 pounds 8 ounces SA. This is with reduced hammers and extended firing pins and they will still ignite any primer.

  A 2lb SA trigger pull can be achieved with the OEM hammer spring. Springing it lightly enough that it requires match primers is done to lower the DA pull.
  Keeping the ammo segregated is an additional concern, but one load doesn't work for all purposes. My SD/HD guns are loaded with premium SD ammo. I also have ammo loaded hot for SD practice, pistol match ammo with Fed primers, and carbine match ammo. The carbine for example shoots almost 200fps faster with a pistol load, which makes dot bounce unacceptable in a match setting. So for me, loading one round for all of my guns is impractical. I do try to stick to one profile and if possible, the same OAL.
  I did grab carbine ammo by mistake for a pistol match once and had to return home to get the correct ammo. To remedy that in the future, I'm trying Gallant bullets since they're available in multiple colors. I might run into more oal issues if I was using heavier bullets, but Gallant 135's chamber in all my guns. I don't generally see a need for anything heavier than 124gr. So far I haven't had a reason to ream chambers. We all have different requirements though.

My Shadow 2 runs a stock hammer spring but with polishing and other components is under 2 pounds. I was quite surprised with that.

As far as ammo is concerned. Even my competition loads work with all of my handguns so I actually can run the same ammo in all guns.

I guess I just don't push the limits.

  Right, but what is the DA pull? The hammer spring has almost zero effect on SA pull. I'm sure the DA in your S2 is nice, but a spring change would lower it. My DA pull is under 5lbs.
 To be honest, I could train myself with a heavier DA pull and probably should. My match ammo will run in all my guns, but my DA/SA match guns won't run my other ammo 100% simply due to needing match primers. I bought a bunch of S&B primers on sale so I use them when I can. When they're gone, I'll likely switch to Winchester primers and spring accordingly.

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[Earl Keese]

My S2 has been converted over to SA.

About the best I can do DA / SA is 5 pounds  2 ounces DA and 2 pounds 8 ounces SA. This is with reduced hammers and extended firing pins and they will still ignite any primer.

  A 2lb SA trigger pull can be achieved with the OEM hammer spring. Springing it lightly enough that it requires match primers is done to lower the DA pull.
  Keeping the ammo segregated is an additional concern, but one load doesn't work for all purposes. My SD/HD guns are loaded with premium SD ammo. I also have ammo loaded hot for SD practice, pistol match ammo with Fed primers, and carbine match ammo. The carbine for example shoots almost 200fps faster with a pistol load, which makes dot bounce unacceptable in a match setting. So for me, loading one round for all of my guns is impractical. I do try to stick to one profile and if possible, the same OAL.
  I did grab carbine ammo by mistake for a pistol match once and had to return home to get the correct ammo. To remedy that in the future, I'm trying Gallant bullets since they're available in multiple colors. I might run into more oal issues if I was using heavier bullets, but Gallant 135's chamber in all my guns. I don't generally see a need for anything heavier than 124gr. So far I haven't had a reason to ream chambers. We all have different requirements though.

My Shadow 2 runs a stock hammer spring but with polishing and other components is under 2 pounds. I was quite surprised with that.

As far as ammo is concerned. Even my competition loads work with all of my handguns so I actually can run the same ammo in all guns.

I guess I just don't push the limits.

  Right, but what is the DA pull? The hammer spring has almost zero effect on SA pull. I'm sure the DA in your S2 is nice, but a spring change would lower it. My DA pull is under 5lbs.
 To be honest, I could train myself with a heavier DA pull and probably should. My match ammo will run in all my guns, but my DA/SA match guns won't run my other ammo 100% simply due to needing match primers. I bought a bunch of S&B primers on sale so I use them when I can. When they're gone, I'll likely switch to Winchester primers and spring accordingly.

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By reduced hammers, do you mean you shorten the hooks?

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[Underwhere]

Sorry. Reduced hammer springs. I don't modify the race hammers from CGW

My S2 has been converted over to SA.

About the best I can do DA / SA is 5 pounds  2 ounces DA and 2 pounds 8 ounces SA. This is with reduced hammers and extended firing pins and they will still ignite any primer.

  A 2lb SA trigger pull can be achieved with the OEM hammer spring. Springing it lightly enough that it requires match primers is done to lower the DA pull.
  Keeping the ammo segregated is an additional concern, but one load doesn't work for all purposes. My SD/HD guns are loaded with premium SD ammo. I also have ammo loaded hot for SD practice, pistol match ammo with Fed primers, and carbine match ammo. The carbine for example shoots almost 200fps faster with a pistol load, which makes dot bounce unacceptable in a match setting. So for me, loading one round for all of my guns is impractical. I do try to stick to one profile and if possible, the same OAL.
  I did grab carbine ammo by mistake for a pistol match once and had to return home to get the correct ammo. To remedy that in the future, I'm trying Gallant bullets since they're available in multiple colors. I might run into more oal issues if I was using heavier bullets, but Gallant 135's chamber in all my guns. I don't generally see a need for anything heavier than 124gr. So far I haven't had a reason to ream chambers. We all have different requirements though.

My Shadow 2 runs a stock hammer spring but with polishing and other components is under 2 pounds. I was quite surprised with that.

As far as ammo is concerned. Even my competition loads work with all of my handguns so I actually can run the same ammo in all guns.

I guess I just don't push the limits.

  Right, but what is the DA pull? The hammer spring has almost zero effect on SA pull. I'm sure the DA in your S2 is nice, but a spring change would lower it. My DA pull is under 5lbs.
 To be honest, I could train myself with a heavier DA pull and probably should. My match ammo will run in all my guns, but my DA/SA match guns won't run my other ammo 100% simply due to needing match primers. I bought a bunch of S&B primers on sale so I use them when I can. When they're gone, I'll likely switch to Winchester primers and spring accordingly.

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By reduced hammers, do you mean you shorten the hooks?

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[Earl Keese]

Sorry. Reduced hammer springs. I don't modify the race hammers from CGW

My S2 has been converted over to SA.

About the best I can do DA / SA is 5 pounds  2 ounces DA and 2 pounds 8 ounces SA. This is with reduced hammers and extended firing pins and they will still ignite any primer.

  A 2lb SA trigger pull can be achieved with the OEM hammer spring. Springing it lightly enough that it requires match primers is done to lower the DA pull.
  Keeping the ammo segregated is an additional concern, but one load doesn't work for all purposes. My SD/HD guns are loaded with premium SD ammo. I also have ammo loaded hot for SD practice, pistol match ammo with Fed primers, and carbine match ammo. The carbine for example shoots almost 200fps faster with a pistol load, which makes dot bounce unacceptable in a match setting. So for me, loading one round for all of my guns is impractical. I do try to stick to one profile and if possible, the same OAL.
  I did grab carbine ammo by mistake for a pistol match once and had to return home to get the correct ammo. To remedy that in the future, I'm trying Gallant bullets since they're available in multiple colors. I might run into more oal issues if I was using heavier bullets, but Gallant 135's chamber in all my guns. I don't generally see a need for anything heavier than 124gr. So far I haven't had a reason to ream chambers. We all have different requirements though.

My Shadow 2 runs a stock hammer spring but with polishing and other components is under 2 pounds. I was quite surprised with that.

As far as ammo is concerned. Even my competition loads work with all of my handguns so I actually can run the same ammo in all guns.

I guess I just don't push the limits.

  Right, but what is the DA pull? The hammer spring has almost zero effect on SA pull. I'm sure the DA in your S2 is nice, but a spring change would lower it. My DA pull is under 5lbs.
 To be honest, I could train myself with a heavier DA pull and probably should. My match ammo will run in all my guns, but my DA/SA match guns won't run my other ammo 100% simply due to needing match primers. I bought a bunch of S&B primers on sale so I use them when I can. When they're gone, I'll likely switch to Winchester primers and spring accordingly.

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By reduced hammers, do you mean you shorten the hooks?

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Same here.

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[Underwhere]

back to the original question though.

Is it possible to create too much freebore? I can't really find much about this.
Even though I likely won't be using the 115gr Bayou Bullet anymore, I feel like I need to throat as if something like that was possible again.