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Offline M1A4ME

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2018, 07:01:25 PM »
I ended up with ordering this https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-moe-ept-lower-black.html
It's not the cheapest which is on sale now, but has "enhanced polished trigger".

You might get a decent trigger.  Some are.

I had one, one time (not from PSA) that had a trigger so heavy/bad that by the end of shooting session the tip of my trigger finger would actually be tender.  Not from getting bit or from trigger slap, but from holding the trigger back till I felt I was steady enough to make the shot.  I never measured how heavy/hard that trigger was, but I finally replaced it.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2018, 07:07:52 PM »
I've gotten accustomed to $150 complete lowers, but that wasn't real bad.

I think the stainless triggers leave a lot to be desired where 'polished" is concerned though and my stainless trigger is in the bottom of a box somewhere.  You could polish it yourself with some 400 grit paper and a hard square surface in 10 minutes.

You can probably get a complete upper for under $300 if you look around.

Just after Christmas, I got a complete Colt M4 lower for $179 after 10% off code and free shipping at Brownells.  This is a buyers market for sure.





 

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2018, 07:11:32 PM »
I ended up with ordering this https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-moe-ept-lower-black.html
It's not the cheapest which is on sale now, but has "enhanced polished trigger".
Don’t be surprised if you decide to change out the trigger.  I don’t find it much of an improvement over a milspec trigger.  A great option for not much money is the ALG ACT.  Their QMS isn’t bad either.  Neither of these is equal to a Geissele.  But they’re a vast improvement over a milspec trigger.

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2018, 07:53:51 PM »
A good trigger is nice.  A nice trigger is good.

A trigger may not make the rifle/pistol more accurate but it sure makes it easier for you to shoot accurately.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2018, 08:02:39 PM »
Welcome to another obsession.  This may be your first,  but won’t be your last

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2018, 10:26:21 AM »
Primary Arms has Anderson lowers on sale for 29.99 for the next 72 hours

Wouldn't be a bad idea to pick up one or two more.  If this is your first AR, there will be more later.  Might as well get them while they're cheap and available.

Most of us have lived through panics before. Annoying as heck.
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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2018, 11:14:58 AM »
Primary Arms has Anderson lowers on sale for 29.99 for the next 72 hours

Wouldn't be a bad idea to pick up one or two more.  If this is your first AR, there will be more later.  Might as well get them while they're cheap and available.

Most of us have lived through panics before. Annoying as heck.

I just finished up my third "last AR15 build."  There's a reason they call it BRD (Black Rifle Disease).
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2018, 02:10:30 PM »
Thank you all for your recommendations.

My wife didn't know yet that I stepped on AR-15 path :) She got used to my handguns and occasionally makes me a company on a shooting range, but AR-15 would be a total surprise for her.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2018, 02:17:06 PM »
BTW, I did some search on dedicated .22lr uppers, for some reasons they are even more expensive that 5.56 uppers or I haven't found any good deals on them. Why? May be because they are not so widespread and there are only several players on the market?

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2018, 03:05:48 PM »
Supply and demand.

There are tons of 556 producers. 

Only a couple who concentrate on 22lr.  So, they charge more of a premium than the regular 556 crowd can.
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2018, 06:33:18 PM »
You can still get an AR15 barrel with a 1 turn in 12" barrel.  They aren't common, but sometimes I see them for sale.  The guys that want to build a "retro" AR15 that looks like the M16 used in Vietnam buy them to build clones of what they or their daddy carried over there.

That's not a 1 turn in 16" people recommend for .22 rim fires, but it's much slower than the common 1 turn in 7" or 8" most AR15 barrels have today.

Even with the 1 turn in 12" barrel you can still remove the .22 adaptor and shoot the 55 grain bullets still very common in .223 ammo today.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2018, 06:47:16 PM »
I still like the 1:9 to be honest.

I personally feel the 1:8 is about the best twist out there for 556.

But you are correct about the 1:12's.  You do still find them floating around occasionally.  If you want a REALLY old retro style barrel, green mountain makes a 1;14 twist 20 incher. Probably as close of a twist as you'll get to a 22lr barrel.

http://www.gmriflebarrel.com/gm-m14-20-m16-a1-5-56mm-1-14-twist-barrel/

I own several 1:7's.  Not really all that fond of most of them though.
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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2018, 02:01:18 AM »
Any thoughts about .223 Wylde 1:9 twist? Would it be safe for 5.56 and accurate for both 5.56 and .223 rounds?
I suspect that with 1:9 twist it would be also more appropriate to 22lr than 5.56 1:7 twist.

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2018, 06:49:01 AM »
.223 Wylde is considered safe for .223 or 5.56X45 ammo. 

The 1 turn in 9" twist will be okay for just about any ammo but the heaviest bullets.  Fine for 55 and 62 grain surplus, store bought or reloaded ammo.  Some people say they get good accuracy out of 69 grain match bullets, too.  Some say they don't.  You'd just have to try it and see.
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.  So, if you see me walking the dogs with my SIG 556R, its okay.

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Re: Buying AR-15 complete lower and complete uppers for 5.56 and .22lr
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2018, 11:33:43 AM »
I'm going to the range tomorrow to zero my AR-15 build. This is the first time I will shoot it - so wish me good luck! :)

Complete lower assembly and BCG from Palmetto State Armory.
Complete upper assembly from Hardened Arms: .223 Wylde 1:8 twist midlength gas system, stainless steel

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And by the way PSA has now fantastic deals on dedicated .22lr uppers!
Complete .22lr upper with BCG and CH (shipped) for $349.99  https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-22-lr-1-16-nitride-13-5-lightweight-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-ch-516446934.html

 

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