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Offline John A.

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2018, 09:49:51 PM »
There are suppressor manufacturers that have used cones in many of their suppressor lines.  I don't dispute that.  I also don't dispute a good can is a good can regardless of whether it started out as a solvent trap kit, or you paid a premium for it and bought it from the manufacturer.

Typically high power rifle stuff use cones.  308.  223

And many have experimented with clipping the baffles, others have not. I get the basic principle of it, I just don't know that it is worth the effort in the end product.  I have friends who work (and own) their own manufacturing facilities and much of their data on their meters have concluded  the same where they have tested before and after porting and clipping.  And I have known people who use solvent traps and listen to the can before and after clipping. Most show only a neglible change in sound, if any.  If you have a poor sounding can, clipping baffles isn't going to fix it.

I have seen others use different length spacers and simply by arranging them differently, has shown more of an improvement than clipping.

With that said, not all calibers work well with cones which are mainly what's been out there for some time now.  Some calibers work better with other designs.  High pressures and low pressures just need different things.  Otherwise, all silencers would have cones and sound great with no reason to use any other style.  But that's not really the case.

This is where much of my bias comes from.  And bias probably isn't the right word anyway.  My distrust and dislike is for solvent trap companies taking advantage of people who don't really know any better and don't care if their unknown grade aluminum cones melts after a mag dump of 308.  After all, making any changes from how they ship the solvent traps, changes what they were marketing, so they're not responsible when someone gets hurt. 

How many solvent trap companies have came and went in the last 3 or 4 years? 







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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2018, 11:55:18 PM »
I don't disagree there are a number of shady places out there selling who knows what but I can only think of one that was shut down by the BATFE because he went way to far. Companies like SD tac where temporarily shut down until the forum and content that could question intent where removed and are back up.
I don't disagree one style of cone, freeze plugs or monocore is the be all end all. I have yet to try any of the monocore brake style f1's.
All I'm saying is there are traps out there that can compete with the high $ cans for a few hundred dollars less. Granted it's up to the end users knowledge, skill and tooling to complete it so results may vary. To say it won't be  very good is a broad and general statement that may drive the future away.
If you have a poor sounding can clipping alone won't fix it. That usually affects point of impact and tone the most. But clipping, adjusting bore and spacing can make a poor sounding suppressor sound better.
There isn't a company out there that will tell you a cheap homemade $300 suppressor made from a Maglite and valve spring retainers or what have you is comparable to there's. That would be like Daniel defense saying an 80% lower can be made to work like there's for half the cost. Or because I started with an 80 instead of whittling out of 1 blank it must suck.
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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2018, 07:28:13 AM »
There are a lot of solvent trap companies who no longer are in business.  I can think of several just off the top of my head.

Also, SD tac no longer sells cones or solvent traps that I could see. 

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2018, 02:39:17 PM »
I run a Rugged Obsidian 9 with a tri lug adaptor on my Micro build 8)

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2019, 02:54:41 PM »
I went with the Sico Hybird 45, but will soon go with a dedicated just for the 9's. I made my own 3 lug adapter and can still use the faux can barrel.












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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2021, 06:48:06 PM »
Being able to keep the Faux suppressor can on is a great idea. Any thought in making more of these. I'd like to buy one from you.

I went with the Sico Hybird 45, but will soon go with a dedicated just for the 9's. I made my own 3 lug adapter and can still use the faux can barrel.









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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2021, 08:23:05 PM »
Using Omega 9K...love it.

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2021, 12:45:59 AM »
currently have a Dead Air Wolfman in ATF jail.  Going to use the Keymicro muzzle device.
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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2021, 03:54:29 PM »
Since this seems to be the most active thread RE Scorpions and suppressors:

Are you guys experiencing issues running suppressed?

The gun seems to run fine unsuppressed.

I'm running an Octane 9HD threaded on with WWB and some of my own 115gr reloads at roughly 1175fps.
There are times when the bolt completely misses stripping a round off the magazine.
Other times I get double feeds.

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2021, 04:48:05 PM »
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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2021, 08:46:22 PM »
SilencerCo Hybrid 46 w/ tri-lug for my Scorpion pistol and Vector (Vector uses unique .45 specific tri-lug dimensions), and ASR devices for my Scorpion rifle, KP-9, and Hi-Point 995, along with various 5.56 rifles.
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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2021, 09:18:27 PM »
Since this seems to be the most active thread RE Scorpions and suppressors:

Are you guys experiencing issues running suppressed?

The gun seems to run fine unsuppressed.

I'm running an Octane 9HD threaded on with WWB and some of my own 115gr reloads at roughly 1175fps.
There are times when the bolt completely misses stripping a round off the magazine.
Other times I get double feeds.

I’m running a Quietbore kit.
At full 16” barrel length, mine likes 147gr reloads running at 1050fps.

My only issue is that it gets dirtier when shooting.

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2021, 10:27:44 PM »
Since this seems to be the most active thread RE Scorpions and suppressors:

Are you guys experiencing issues running suppressed?

The gun seems to run fine unsuppressed.

I'm running an Octane 9HD threaded on with WWB and some of my own 115gr reloads at roughly 1175fps.
There are times when the bolt completely misses stripping a round off the magazine.
Other times I get double feeds.

Ive had that happen 3 times in the last 4 years, Federal HST 147 grain.  Bolt just didnt pick up another round.  Outside of that the only issue ive had shooting suppressed (I also have an Octane 9HD on my pistol) is that the carbon buildup in the magazine eventually stops them dead in their tracks.  I have 3 range mags, everything else is basically a backup for bump in the night stuff.  Dont mix my range mags with my BITN mags.  I also make a habit of cleaning my ramge mags now when I start seeing buildup.

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2021, 10:29:52 PM »
Since this seems to be the most active thread RE Scorpions and suppressors:

Are you guys experiencing issues running suppressed?

The gun seems to run fine unsuppressed.

I'm running an Octane 9HD threaded on with WWB and some of my own 115gr reloads at roughly 1175fps.
There are times when the bolt completely misses stripping a round off the magazine.
Other times I get double feeds.

Ive had that happen 3 times in the last 4 years, Federal HST 147 grain.  Bolt just didnt pick up another round.  Outside of that the only issue ive had shooting suppressed (I also have an Octane 9HD on my pistol) is that the carbon buildup in the magazine eventually stops them dead in their tracks.  I have 3 range mags, everything else is basically a backup for bump in the night stuff.  Dont mix my range mags with my BITN mags.  I also make a habit of cleaning my ramge mags now when I start seeing buildup.
Thanks for the feedback.
Which mags are you using?

I`m running factory and Manticore.

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Re: Suppressors: Which are you running and what muzzle devices?
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2021, 10:32:47 PM »
Since this seems to be the most active thread RE Scorpions and suppressors:

Are you guys experiencing issues running suppressed?

The gun seems to run fine unsuppressed.

I'm running an Octane 9HD threaded on with WWB and some of my own 115gr reloads at roughly 1175fps.
There are times when the bolt completely misses stripping a round off the magazine.
Other times I get double feeds.

Ive had that happen 3 times in the last 4 years, Federal HST 147 grain.  Bolt just didnt pick up another round.  Outside of that the only issue ive had shooting suppressed (I also have an Octane 9HD on my pistol) is that the carbon buildup in the magazine eventually stops them dead in their tracks.  I have 3 range mags, everything else is basically a backup for bump in the night stuff.  Dont mix my range mags with my BITN mags.  I also make a habit of cleaning my ramge mags now when I start seeing buildup.
Thanks for the feedback.
Which mags are you using?

I`m running factory and Manticore.

Factory and psa 35's.  The factory are what got siezed up.  To be specific they are the 1st gen mags, but I guess not the batch with cracking feed lips since Ive had several of the loaded up full for a few years now and theyre goin strong

 

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