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GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zeebz on September 20, 2018, 01:08:41 AM
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Eventually I'm going to take a CCW course and get a handgun to use strictly as a CCW gun. I had a HK P30S I was going to use but I sold that. When I do eventually get what will be my CCW I'm probably just going to get a CZ patterned gun. In the woods when I am hunting I open carry my Witness Stock III in 10mm but it's a little too big to CC, as is my SP-01 Tac and all of my other handguns (all of my handguns are full size). No stores around me really carry any CZs so it'd be hard for me to get a hold of one and feel it.
What I am considering are:
- CZ P10C
- CZ 75 Compact
- CZ P01 Compact
- CZ P07
- Kriss Sphinx
I held a RAMI but I have big hands and it didn't feel comfortable to me so I am not considering that.
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This is a question that really only you can answer. I carry a PCR and lately a Sig M11A1 has come on the scene. When attire limits the size and weight to a smaller gun I have a couple J-frames for that.
Opinions will abound here but Find what feels best to you and go with that.
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This is a question that really only you can answer. I carry a PCR and lately a Sig M11A1 has come on the scene. When attire limits the size and weight to a smaller gun I have a couple J-frames for that.
Opinions will abound here but Find what feels best to you and go with that.
Agree..Only you can decide. Personally, I really like my CZC 75 Compact.
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I held a RAMI but I have big hands and it didn't feel comfortable to me so I am not considering that.
Hi Zeebz,
Was your RAMI encounter with the 14-round extended magazine? I have size XL glove hands and find the extended mag RAMI unique in its ergonomic excellence, something that can't be said for the 10-round mag.
Here's my "fit" pic: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qHV2T-FzuUHrgMnlOH6qCeaB86afLZM3
-and a recent post on the issue: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99762.msg769614#msg769614
You'd likely have to wait a while to get a new CZ 2075 RAMI BD but I believe the wait to be well worth it, it's the fix for Buyer's Remorse.
http://www.defensereview.com/cz-2075-rami-big-gun-performance-in-a-sub-compact-dasa-9mm-40-sw-pistol/
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=95318.0
Best regards,
PappaWheelie
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I held a RAMI but I have big hands and it didn't feel comfortable to me so I am not considering that.
Hi Zeebz,
Was your RAMI encounter with the 14-round extended magazine? I have size XL glove hands and find the extended mag RAMI unique in its ergonomic excellence, something that can't be said for the 10-round mag.
Here's my "fit" pic: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qHV2T-FzuUHrgMnlOH6qCeaB86afLZM3
-and a recent post on the issue: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99762.msg769614#msg769614
You'd likely have to wait a while to get a new CZ 2075 RAMI BD but I believe the wait to be well worth it, it's the fix for Buyer's Remorse.
http://www.defensereview.com/cz-2075-rami-big-gun-performance-in-a-sub-compact-dasa-9mm-40-sw-pistol/
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=95318.0
Best regards,
PappaWheelie
You are correct in that the one I held was one with the 10 round magazine. I didn't even know they made one with a 14 round extended magazine. I may have to look into that now :D
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I absolutely love the looks, feel, portability, and accuracy of my 75 Compact and PCR. FWIW, I prefer carrying the Compact.
Good luck and enjoy the search :D
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I held a RAMI but I have big hands and it didn't feel comfortable to me so I am not considering that.
Hi Zeebz,
Was your RAMI encounter with the 14-round extended magazine? I have size XL glove hands and find the extended mag RAMI unique in its ergonomic excellence, something that can't be said for the 10-round mag.
Here's my "fit" pic: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qHV2T-FzuUHrgMnlOH6qCeaB86afLZM3
-and a recent post on the issue: https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99762.msg769614#msg769614
You'd likely have to wait a while to get a new CZ 2075 RAMI BD but I believe the wait to be well worth it, it's the fix for Buyer's Remorse.
http://www.defensereview.com/cz-2075-rami-big-gun-performance-in-a-sub-compact-dasa-9mm-40-sw-pistol/
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=95318.0
Best regards,
PappaWheelie
You are correct in that the one I held was one with the 10 round magazine. I didn't even know they made one with a 14 round extended magazine. I may have to look into that now :D
except in the less than free States, the 2075 RAMI comes with a flush-fit 10 round magazine and an extended 14 round magazine (actually a 75 Compact magazine with a sleeve)
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I am quite content with my PCR. I have a Ruger SP-101 DAO for backup. Works for me.
GS
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Admittedly I don't own a RAMI, but if you're going to carry one with a 14 round mag (to get a comfortable grip) I don't understand why you wouldn't just carry a PCR or P-01... The weight difference is pretty much negligible and the longer barrel length is better for performance and doesn't really impact concealability.
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I own/carry CZ75 Compacts, P01's and P07s.
My pistol has to be reliable, accurate, and feel good in my hand (for that kind of money, why carry a gun that doesn't feel right in your hand??)
The CZ75 Compact and P01 are about the same size. The rail on the P01 means they use different holsters and you can put a light/laser on the P01 but not on the CZ75 Compact.
The CZ75 Compact has a thumb safety. The P01 has a decocking lever - unless you buy a P01 Omega. Those come with ambidextrous decocking levers but can be converted (by you) to ambidextrous thumb safeties, the parts come in a little bag right in the box with instructions for changing them out in the owner's manual.
I carry cocked and locked, so the P01 Omega was my P01 choice.
Some people notice the difference in weight betweeh the steel framed CZ75 Compact and the aluminum framed P01. I don't. Some people say the Compact has a lighter felt recoil than the P01 and it's due to the extra weight of the steel frame on the Compact. Some poeple say the P01 is easier to carry all day because it's lighter due to the aluminum frame.
Both use the same magazines.
Magazines for the CZ75 Compact and P01 are about $10 cheaper each vs. the P07 magazines.
I have been concealed carrying a P07 for about 6 or 7 years. Love it. It is my out in public CCW pistol.
I was carrying a steel framed CZ75 Compact for about 2 years, around my property (yard, garage, back lot, etc.) No issues with it.
I switched the around the property carry pistol to a P01 Omega back in the spring/summer. Not due to weight but due to just loving the way that P01 feels in my hand. It just really feels good (I can tell the difference between it and the CZ75 Compact) I think because of the grooves in the front/back of the frame.
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Carry the largest handgun you can comfortably conceal
said either Jeff Cooper or Massad Ayoob.
One gun does not fit all.
In the winter, a full size pistol may work
Spring & fall, a compact
Summer, a subcompact.
I have comfortably carried, and successfully concealed a 1911, a Browning HP, a 226, a 75b, a Glock 17, a Sig 2022, a Glock 19, a Sig 225, a Glock 43, a Ruger LCP etc.
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It's a personal choice but the PCR will have the same decocker trigger like your SP-01 Tactical, use the same mags (if it's 9mm) and you can sleeve a standard full size mag to get a standard grip length.
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It's a personal choice but the PCR will have the same decocker trigger like your SP-01 Tactical, use the same mags (if it's 9mm) and you can sleeve a standard full size mag to get a standard grip length.
Exactly. 👍🏻
GS
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Eventually I'm going to take a CCW course and get a handgun to use strictly as a CCW gun. I had a HK P30S I was going to use but I sold that. When I do eventually get what will be my CCW I'm probably just going to get a CZ patterned gun. In the woods when I am hunting I open carry my Witness Stock III in 10mm but it's a little too big to CC, as is my SP-01 Tac and all of my other handguns (all of my handguns are full size). No stores around me really carry any CZs so it'd be hard for me to get a hold of one and feel it.
What I am considering are:
- CZ P10C
- CZ 75 Compact
- CZ P01 Compact
- CZ P07
- Kriss Sphinx
I held a RAMI but I have big hands and it didn't feel comfortable to me so I am not considering that.
As was noted above, this is a question only you can answer, if you have a range that rents pistols, and they have any on your list, go rent one a d try it out.. Everything on your list is an excellant choice..
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i have the p-07 and got a iwb holster for it, but it's just too big for me to carry around... definitely in the winter under a jacket w an owb holster... i carry an xd-e 9mm, apendix and i think it's comfy.
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Admittedly I don't own a RAMI, but if you're going to carry one with a 14 round mag (to get a comfortable grip) I don't understand why you wouldn't just carry a PCR or P-01... The weight difference is pretty much negligible and the longer barrel length is better for performance and doesn't really impact concealability.
Hi christak,
The extended magazine RAMI is lighter, narrower, uglier, (just threw that one in there) and more concealable, with its 2.97 inch barrel, than the PCR and P-01 which I admit beat the pants off the RAMI for cosmetics. See last link below.
The RAMI was offspring of a Colt-CZ joint venture with sole Colt dictate of "external resemblance" to the classic Colt 1911.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=5466.0
The bad news was its "Ugly Duckling" departure from CZ's classic sculpted chamfer around the trigger guard, but the very good news is, present tense, that it copied the 1911's elliptical grip cross section, re-proportioned it for 40 S&W and 9mm in terms of length, and double stack in terms of width, resulting in state-of-the-art grip comfort and lateral grippablity, with added bonus of 14 round extended magazine (adopted from CZ PCR / P-01) having ergonomically perfect collar creating the ultimate embodiment of the CZ-classic forward-hooking butt.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99762.0
The PappaWheelie Invisible 15 Round RAMI Holster offers perfect tucked shirt invisibility with unbelievable comfort.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81829.msg600234#msg600234
Punching Above Weight https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=96929.msg746657#msg746657
Lubricant Friction Coefficient Comparison Studies https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99122.msg764511#msg764511
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I've got a CZ Pro Tec II that I carried for a while and switched it to my car gun. Normally carry an XDS in 9mm but thinking of selling both a getting 3 identical of something - carry, car and backup. Looking at new M&P 2.0.
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I've got a CZ Pro Tec II that I carried for a while and switched it to my car gun. Normally carry an XDS in 9mm but thinking of selling both a getting 3 identical of something - carry, car and backup. Looking at new M&P 2.0.
I really like my 2.0 compact.
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I carry my P01 Omega and I am a smaller guy at 5'7. I thought I would carry my P30 but it shows a bit more than the CZ and just feels amazing in the hand.
The P30sk is next for me.
You are okay with either striker or hammer? I don't do strikers so it makes it easy although a VP9 is tempting.
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Personally I prefer hammer-fired handguns so the P-10C is out for me. If you need a light on your firearm I would recommend either the P-01 or P-07. If I had to choose I prefer the P-01. The difference in weight is not that much, the mags are cheaper and I can use any CZ 75 mags and it an all metal firearm. The PCR will also be a good choice if you have no plans of ever using light.
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You are okay with either striker or hammer? I don't do strikers so it makes it easy although a VP9 is tempting.
I prefer hammer fired guns to strikers. I don't own any strikers and the only ones I'd really even consider are the CZ P10C or possibly a Glock 29, and only because the Glock comes in 10mm.
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Stick with a hammer then!
Let's not mention the "G" word and now you are throwing out 10mm as an option for ccw?
Why did you sell your P30sk? Seems like the best of all with the V1 trigger.
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Stick with a hammer then!
Let's not mention the "G" word and now you are throwing out 10mm as an option for ccw?
Why did you sell your P30sk? Seems like the best of all with the V1 trigger.
I am a huge fan of the 10mm :) ...and Glock is the only company that makes anything concealable in that caliber.
I sold my P30S because I just wasn't a fan of it. I love HKs, but I much prefer the USP series to the P30 series. I did upgrade my P30's V3 trigger and installed a match FPBS, enhanced hammer spring, and match nickel plated sear and it made the trigger much nicer. I can't deny that the ergonomics on the P30 are phenomenal, but again I just don't care for them as much as the USP. If I got another HK for CCW it'd probably be a USP Compact.
I've since sold all my USPs and used the money from them to buy a Mark 23, but I ain't even going to think about trying to CCW that pig.
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Admittedly I don't own a RAMI, but if you're going to carry one with a 14 round mag (to get a comfortable grip) I don't understand why you wouldn't just carry a PCR or P-01... The weight difference is pretty much negligible and the longer barrel length is better for performance and doesn't really impact concealability.
Hi christak,
The extended magazine RAMI is lighter, narrower, uglier, (just threw that one in there) and more concealable, with its 2.97 inch barrel, than the PCR and P-01 which I admit beat the pants off the RAMI for cosmetics. See last link below.
The RAMI was offspring of a Colt-CZ joint venture with sole Colt dictate of "external resemblance" to the classic Colt 1911.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=5466.0
The bad news was its "Ugly Duckling" departure from CZ's classic sculpted chamfer around the trigger guard, but the very good news is, present tense, that it copied the 1911's elliptical grip cross section, re-proportioned it for 40 S&W and 9mm in terms of length, and double stack in terms of width, resulting in state-of-the-art grip comfort and lateral grippablity, with added bonus of 14 round extended magazine (adopted from CZ PCR / P-01) having ergonomically perfect collar creating the ultimate embodiment of the CZ-classic forward-hooking butt.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99762.0
The PappaWheelie Invisible 15 Round RAMI Holster offers perfect tucked shirt invisibility with unbelievable comfort.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81829.msg600234#msg600234
Punching Above Weight https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=96929.msg746657#msg746657
Lubricant Friction Coefficient Comparison Studies https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99122.msg764511#msg764511
Happy the RAMI works so well for you. I've tried at least 3 different times to make myself buy a RAMI (most recently about a week ago), but can't seem to put the cash on the table. I own two P-01s, standard and Omega, and simply love them for carry (especially the Omega). I also carry a Sig P938 and a Walther P99c from time to time. I may yet buy a RAMI, but I love my current carry options and my P99c currently fills the niche of the RAMI.
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I carry a P-01 in the colder months of the year which are quite a few of them around here.
some time I switch my PCR in just to carry it but not too often. The P-01 is an awesome shooting
well made reliable hand gun that hides well when dressed for colder weather.
That is all I can say
RCG
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I've tried at least 3 different times to make myself buy a RAMI (most recently about a week ago), but can't seem to put the cash on the table. I may yet buy a RAMI, but I love my current carry options and my P99c currently fills the niche of the RAMI.
Don't try so hard, christak: when you realize, finally, that the P99c's greater recoil (plastic frame, taller bore center), increased thickness and barrel* length, and "rounded rectangle" grip cross section are demerits in comparison with the RAMI BD
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99762.msg769614#msg769614
not to mention the fewer rounds, lack of night sights, and strong thumb safe space (from internal rails), it will happen naturally, without trying.
As evidence, I just yesterday learned that my gun enthusiast Nephew, who initially sparked my interest in firearms, and who went "meh..." a year or so ago after shooting my new-at-the-time CZ 97BD, just texted me to say he'd just shot a CZ 97B and was going tomorrow to trade his two Glocks in on a new CZ 97BD (says he has a local CZ dealer who stocks EVERY model CZ makes), to add to his Scorpion Evo, which he absolutely loves over a Daniel Defense AR-15. I had given up on him as hopeless.
http://www.czforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5672.msg23619#msg23619
Just relax and let it happen. ( :o] )
*2.97" actual RAMI barrel length allows 12:00 IWB tucked shirt invisibility
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Another vote for a P-01 right here. Love something that isn?t a boring or gucci?d Out g19z
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There is only one thing better than a PCR. And that's two of them. I just ordered my second one tonight.
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Have not gotten a chance to put hands on a pcr as of yet.