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GENERAL => Ammunition, questions, and handloading techniques => Topic started by: Europe on September 15, 2019, 05:20:11 PM

Title: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Europe on September 15, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
I noticed at my local range that  the most experience shooters are usually shooting something in the 124-147 gr. range or shooting reloaded subsonic ammo.
What would be your choice?
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: larry8061 on September 15, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
Heavy bullet, light powder load. (much less recoil)
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Earl Keese on September 15, 2019, 07:53:28 PM
I load 135rn.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: George16 on September 15, 2019, 08:17:44 PM
124 Gr JHP with Sport Pistol @ 1060 FPS for about 130 PF.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Vinny on September 15, 2019, 08:28:47 PM
If you don't reload your own, I believe Wobbly posted a list of good reloaders somewhere on the Forum.
Or new ammo off the shelf, Federal Syntech 124gr might work for you.

https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2018/8/14/how-federal-syntech-action-pistol-is-redefining-ammo-for-action-shooters/
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Earl Keese on September 15, 2019, 09:12:06 PM
I was talking to a guy at a match today that was using Syntech. He said he liked it and it was relatively clean shooting. Cheapest he could find it was .24/rd in bulk. Ouch, reloading has spoiled me.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Luvdog on September 16, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
I'm shooting 147gr
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Vinny on September 16, 2019, 05:24:06 PM
I was talking to a guy at a match today that was using Syntech. He said he liked it and it was relatively clean shooting. Cheapest he could find it was .24/rd in bulk. Ouch, reloading has spoiled me.

I found 124gr currently in-stock at SGAMMO for ~21 cents
https://www.sgammo.com/product/federal-ammo-sale/500-round-case-9mm-luger-124-grain-tsj-federal-syntech-american-eagle-ammo

They also carry 147gr if that's your preference.

But may not ship to Left Coast.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Earl Keese on September 16, 2019, 05:30:41 PM
I was talking to a guy at a match today that was using Syntech. He said he liked it and it was relatively clean shooting. Cheapest he could find it was .24/rd in bulk. Ouch, reloading has spoiled me.

I found 124gr currently in-stock at SGAMMO for ~21 cents
https://www.sgammo.com/product/federal-ammo-sale/500-round-case-9mm-luger-124-grain-tsj-federal-syntech-american-eagle-ammo

They also carry 147gr if that's your preference.

But may not ship to Left Coast.
After shipping it works out to .24/rd.

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Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: M1A4ME on September 16, 2019, 06:22:24 PM
I don't shoot in competitions, except trying to see what loads or what pistols shoot the best groups for me.

My CZ 9MM pistols, whether plastic (P09) or aluminum frame/steel frame (CZ75 Compacts, P01s) shoot the smallest groups for me with 115 grain ammo.

I've not tried much 124 grain ammo.  What little I have tried (Winchester 124 grain NATO and Remington 124 grain FMJ) did not do as well in the P01 as it does in the M&P 2.0 5".  On the other hand, the 115 grain ammo that the CZs like doesn't shoot very well in the M&P.

I have not shot anything 147 I the CZ's (or the M&P) that isn't beaten badly by the lighter bullets.  I've bought/shot Winchester 147 grain hollow points and FMJ in the P01 and it's a waste of money.  I've shot reload lead, coated lead and plated 147's in the P09, the CZ75 Compacts and the P01 and I'm wasting my time/money.  I haven't given up on them as I have too many 500 and 1000 bullet boxes of them to just give up.  I've bought some Tite Group and AA#7 to develop loads (Tite Group isn't showing much promise so far).

Store bought 115 grain FMJ from Federal gives me excellent groups in the P09, the CZ75 Compacts and the P01.  This is the Federal with brass cases.  I've bought a box of the aluminum cased stuff to shoot some day when the snow is on the ground so I haven't gotten around to trying those yet.  I've tried 115 grain FMJ Winchester and the groups are poor and the pistol is much dirtier afterwards.  I've got some Remington 115 grain FMJ to try in the CZs as it didn't do well in the M&P either.

I have some 124's but just haven't gotten around to trying them yet.

Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Vinny on September 16, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
After shipping it works out to .24/rd.


I can get 1100 rounds of 9mm within their $16 flat-rate shipping weight. That gets me to ~22.5cents landed at my door.  ;)
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Wobbly on September 17, 2019, 06:00:39 AM
I noticed at my local range that the most experience shooters are usually shooting something in the 124-147 gr. range or shooting reloaded subsonic ammo. What would be your choice?

1. You need to place a location in your profile. Judging by your screen name, most of the suggestions made so far might not apply.

2. You need to tell us what your use intended use is. For longer distances, the higher velocity of a light weight bullet might be preferred. For knocking down steel, a heavy weight bullet might be preferred.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: baldrage on September 17, 2019, 09:40:38 AM
124 Gr JHP with Sport Pistol @ 1060 FPS for about 130 PF.

Exact recipe I use.  Very common for me to put two bullets through one hole in my local IDPA matches.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Europe on September 17, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
In the EU we usually shoot European brands.
I believe Lapua is the widely accepted golden standard of match ammo.
Most people shoot Fiocchi, S&B and Geco (although its Hungary made ammo is really dissapointing).
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Dan_69GTX on September 17, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Based upon weight options I'm guessing 9mm - correct?  Or is this 38 super or 9x21 etc.

What Wobbly said....


however, for me 115 for steel challenge, 124 for knocking steel down.  124 PD JHP for the best accuracy.



Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: George16 on September 17, 2019, 01:44:28 PM
In the EU we usually shoot European brands.
I believe Lapua is the widely accepted golden standard of match ammo.
Most people shoot Fiocchi, S&B and Geco (although its Hungary made ammo is really dissapointing).

The 124 Gr S & B and Fiocchi are pretty nice ammo for both plinking and Competition. I have a lot of friends who use these brands. They’re very consistent and accurate in my shadow 2, TSO and X5 when I tried them.

I chronoed them around 1100-1120 FPS and shoots nicely in my 8” gen 2 MPX as well. Bonus is I like loading the brass. Very consistent on my 650 after I ran the them (especially the S & B due to tight primer pockets) through my swager.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Europe on September 18, 2019, 05:02:02 AM
I meant 9x19.  9x21 is  a strange invention- in certain countries in the EU (e.g. Italy) a civilian cannot own a pistol chambered in 9x19 and practically speaking it's the solo ground for the existence of 9x21 nowadays.
Title: Re: Ammo choice for competition shooting
Post by: Wobbly on October 03, 2019, 06:06:42 AM
Here's something for the reader to consider....

https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2019/1/18/38-different-9mm-loads

Accuracy based on bullet shape !