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GENERAL => General Discussion => Topic started by: gunbuster on January 06, 2020, 07:42:29 PM
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Has anyone with a FFL license used FedEx or UPS to ship firearms? Curious about the process and paperworks needed. Thank you in advance for sharing.
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Has anyone with a FFL license used FedEx or UPS to ship firearms? Curious about the process and paperworks needed. Thank you in advance for sharing.
Don’t you mean without FFL license?
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Asking bc if this is even allowed and if so what is the process involved since I've never done it. Is an FFL license required to sell?
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Asking bc if this is even allowed and if so what is the process involved since I've never done it. Is an FFL license required to sell?
No you do not need a FFL license to sell your own pistol. You should take a look at this excellent resource https://www.shipmygun.com/go/
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Thanks that is a helpful resource. What was your experience using their services? Also can FFLs ship directly to buyers or must they ship only to another FFL? Thanks.
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Also can FFLs ship directly to buyers or must they ship only to another FFL? Thanks.
ONLY if the buyer is also an FFL holder. Non FFL persons must have all firearm purchases sent to an FFL and receive the gun from them and with fill out the 4473 plus whatever background check process is in place in that state.
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Thanks that is a helpful resource. What was your experience using their services? Also can FFLs ship directly to buyers or must they ship only to another FFL? Thanks.
Honestly I have not used that service, but I know some folks first-hand that have and it is GTG. I use my LGS because they are great about shipping out and do all the work for me. You may want to try some LGS near you to see what they charge. Typical is $30-$40
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Also can FFLs ship directly to buyers or must they ship only to another FFL? Thanks.
ONLY if the buyer is also an FFL holder. Non FFL persons must have all firearm purchases sent to an FFL and receive the gun from them and with fill out the 4473 plus whatever background check process is in place in that state.
Understandable. What consequences can occur to both the FFL dealer and the buyer, if something is not shipped from FFL to FFL?
I have always use a local gun shop but want to understand the whole process better. Thanks!
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Does not have to be shipped by an FFL but many times it's cheaper as they can send via USPS flat rate. Does have to be shipped TO FFL no matter who ships it if out of state. Long guns can be shipped USPS by individuals but handguns need to be FOR it shipped via USPS. FedEx and UPS can be expensive because the have to be shipped next day.
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Also can FFLs ship directly to buyers or must they ship only to another FFL? Thanks.
ONLY if the buyer is also an FFL holder. Non FFL persons must have all firearm purchases sent to an FFL and receive the gun from them and with fill out the 4473 plus whatever background check process is in place in that state.
Understandable. What consequences can occur to both the FFL dealer and the buyer, if something is not shipped from FFL to FFL?
I have always use a local gun shop but want to understand the whole process better. Thanks!
What consequences can occur to both the FFL dealer and the buyer, if something is not shipped from FFL to FFL?
You dont want to go there.
If you are not an FFL, then you need to send to an FFL. But....
> make sure the receiving FFL is ligit. You can do that online by checking the FFL number.
> Make sure the receiving FFL will ACCEPT from a NON FFL HOLDER, YOU. They will require info such as drivers license copy/ID to receive the gun for their books.
> The shipper may require proof of who you send to, so if you can, get an keep a copy of FFL with you at shippers. If they ask, you can show proof.
> most shippers require overnight/2nd day deliver (other than USPS), so expect to pay dearly.
> I would also get adult signature and insurance if its worth anything
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Also can FFLs ship directly to buyers or must they ship only to another FFL? Thanks.
ONLY if the buyer is also an FFL holder. Non FFL persons must have all firearm purchases sent to an FFL and receive the gun from them and with fill out the 4473 plus whatever background check process is in place in that state.
Understandable. What consequences can occur to both the FFL dealer and the buyer, if something is not shipped from FFL to FFL?
I have always use a local gun shop but want to understand the whole process better. Thanks!
What consequences can occur to both the FFL dealer and the buyer, if something is not shipped from FFL to FFL?
You dont want to go there.
If you are not an FFL, then you need to send to an FFL. But....
> make sure the receiving FFL is ligit. You can do that online by checking the FFL number.
> Make sure the receiving FFL will ACCEPT from a NON FFL HOLDER, YOU. They will require info such as drivers license copy/ID to receive the gun for their books.
> The shipper may require proof of who you send to, so if you can, get an keep a copy of FFL with you at shippers. If they ask, you can show proof.
> most shippers require overnight/2nd day deliver (other than USPS), so expect to pay dearly.
> I would also get adult signature and insurance if its worth anything
Excellent points. Thanks for sharing and clarifying.
Where can you check an FFL online? I've used gunbroker but if there are other databases would like to know for future reference. THanks.
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A bit off point perhaps, but one reason I let my FFL go was the increasing cost of shipping. 90% of my sales were online and during the 3 years I had my license I saw shipping costs increase so much that merely listing a shipping amount that would cover it, was enough to scare potential buyers away. At first I used a local shipper, when they became too expensive I made the 50 mile drive to the nearest FedEx hub. The last firearm I sold online was as an individual after I was no longer licensed, it was a long gun and the cost wasn't too terribly bad, but it wasn't good either.
Things being as they are, unless you're selling something expensive enough to make it worthwhile, I would try and sell at a gun show rather than online. I don't have anything I plan on parting with at the moment, but if I did that's what I would do, even though most of the gun shows I have attended weren't overflowing with good offers from the vendors.
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Ah so the shipping costs sounds like a large factor why it is good to ship FFL to FFL, got it.
So when you had an FFL license did you ever ship to an individual instead of a FFL? Is the process any different than shipping directly to FFL? Did I misunderstand your comment? Thanks!
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No one can ship directly to an individual. All firearms must be shipped to an FFL. Some doubt exists about sales within one's own state, but personally I wouldn't risk it. PM sent.
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Where can you check an FFL online? I've used gunbroker but if there are other databases would like to know for future reference. THanks.
https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/fflezcheck/ (https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/fflezcheck/)
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Things being as they are, unless you're selling something expensive enough to make it worthwhile, I would try and sell at a gun show rather than online. I don't have anything I plan on parting with at the moment, but if I did that's what I would do, even though most of the gun shows I have attended weren't overflowing with good offers from the vendors.
I still sell my toys on GB.
but how i deal with shipping cost is to pass that onto the buyer. The buyer will need to do their own work to figure out if its 'worth it" to pay for shipping.
Also, most of my toys are not in current production so its not like you can go to your local Cabelas and buy it OTS.
i will do the work to (PRE) package, weigh and check costs for various shippers and to AK/HI and i state costs (estimate) and for the USA, AK/HI. If the price is ALMOST the same for anywhere, then i will usually eat any small difference.
but everyone will have their own ways of conducting a business.
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Ah so the shipping costs sounds like a large factor why it is good to ship FFL to FFL, got it.
So when you had an FFL license did you ever ship to an individual instead of a FFL? Is the process any different than shipping directly to FFL? Did I misunderstand your comment? Thanks!
Note that there IS a difference between LONG GUN and HAND GUN when shipping/selling.
there are also FEDERAL LAWs and STATE LAWs.
But for HANDGUNs, you NEED to go via an FFL. If you go via FFL on your end is up to you. But the receiver will be an FFL or have to go through an FFL. this is of course non C&R and depending on your STATE LAWS.
For a rifle, you can SELL AND SEND to someone IN YOUR HOME STATE according to the ATFE - the last time i was an FFL, years ago now. However, if your STATE LAWS differ, then you will need to deal with that and usually abide by the more RESTRICTIVE laws.
NOTE. If you want to get it directly from the horses mouth, do so. Call your local ATFE office and ask questions. Thats part of their job. You maybe surprised that they are there to help.
at one of our gun shows, the ATFE actually had a table there and was answering some questions. Many people shied away from them thinking they would haul them off for asking a question. but i had a nice chat with them on various subjects.
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Things being as they are, unless you're selling something expensive enough to make it worthwhile, I would try and sell at a gun show rather than online. I don't have anything I plan on parting with at the moment, but if I did that's what I would do, even though most of the gun shows I have attended weren't overflowing with good offers from the vendors.
I still sell my toys on GB.
but how i deal with shipping cost is to pass that onto the buyer. The buyer will need to do their own work to figure out if its 'worth it" to pay for shipping.
Also, most of my toys are not in current production so its not like you can go to your local Cabelas and buy it OTS.
i will do the work to (PRE) package, weigh and check costs for various shippers and to AK/HI and i state costs (estimate) and for the USA, AK/HI. If the price is ALMOST the same for anywhere, then i will usually eat any small difference.
but everyone will have their own ways of conducting a business.
That's what I did too, but found that posting the actual shipping amount was making it harder and harder to sell anything. The shipping cost, and the fact that ATF showed up at my door unannounced wanting to do a compliance inspection on the day after I had hernia surgery....was enough for me, I let the license go when it expired.
As for the other post concerning shipping to an individual within your own state. I have been told that you can and that you cant do so by the ATF. In fact my number one gripe about calling them with questions was that I hardly ever got the same answer twice. When the agent did the compliance inspection mentioned above, she instructed me to do things very differently than the agent who first visited me when I got my license. So I asked her if she would write down her instructions, so that I could show them to the next inspecting agent if he or she was again telling me to do things differently....but I was not visited again.
But stumbling around my house, hardly able to walk with a pain pump hanging on my side....making copies and fetching items for a compliance inspection? She offered to re-schedule the visit, but like I told her she hadn't scheduled this one to begin with, just showed up unannounced hoping to catch someone doing something wrong. So I voted to just get it over with.