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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZ CLONE CLUB => Topic started by: Gunnerdad80 on April 24, 2020, 08:20:16 PM
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I know some folks on here have been drooling for a SAR USA K12 Sport and there is one up for bid on Gunbroker now.
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I know some folks on here have been drooling for a SAR USA K12 Sport and there is one up for bid on Gunbroker now.
Thanks for the heads up Gunnerdad80. I think as more come into the country the price may drop some......or it may got up. I just looked and it 629.00 now with 6 days to go.
LBS
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I’m waiting for the P8S Stainless to become available
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I know some folks on here have been drooling for a SAR USA K12 Sport and there is one up for bid on Gunbroker now.
Thanks for the heads up Gunnerdad80. I think as more come into the country the price may drop some......or it may got up. I just looked and it 629.00 now with 6 days to go.
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There are some listed as low as $529 on GunDeals, all out of stock of course - I've signed up for in-stock notifications for the K12 Sport as well as the SAR 2000, looks like they may be available at very good prices once they become more widely available.
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If I really wanted one I wouldn't share this, lol. As of this morning, showing in stock.
https://www.ammoaz.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/sar-usa-k12stsp-k-12-sport-9mm-luger-470-171-stainless-steel-gray-polymer-grip-2909119 (https://www.ammoaz.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/sar-usa-k12stsp-k-12-sport-9mm-luger-470-171-stainless-steel-gray-polymer-grip-2909119)
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If I really wanted one I wouldn't share this, lol. As of this morning, showing in stock.
https://www.ammoaz.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/sar-usa-k12stsp-k-12-sport-9mm-luger-470-171-stainless-steel-gray-polymer-grip-2909119 (https://www.ammoaz.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/sar-usa-k12stsp-k-12-sport-9mm-luger-470-171-stainless-steel-gray-polymer-grip-2909119)
Wow that’s seems like a steal for all that steel.
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If I really wanted one I wouldn't share this, lol. As of this morning, showing in stock.
https://www.ammoaz.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/sar-usa-k12stsp-k-12-sport-9mm-luger-470-171-stainless-steel-gray-polymer-grip-2909119 (https://www.ammoaz.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/sar-usa-k12stsp-k-12-sport-9mm-luger-470-171-stainless-steel-gray-polymer-grip-2909119)
Unfortunately that comes with a $9.99 shipping fee (reasonable) plus a $35 "shipping to out of state FFL" fee (completely ridiculous, and how websites like this make their money). Still a good deal for under $600 shipped though, if someone wants one today.
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Unfortunately that comes with a $9.99 shipping fee (reasonable) plus a $35 "shipping to out of state FFL" fee (completely ridiculous, and how websites like this make their money). Still a good deal for under $600 shipped though, if someone wants one today.
I didn't look that far into it, but like you said, still not bad if ya gotta have it now. I'd like to get one, but just trying not to spend too much right now with all that's going on. If one were to pop up local to me that I could layaway at a decent price I'd be on it. I've been very pleased with other SAR pistols I've acquired.
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Got mine in this week. Overall very pleased, though the quality of the rear sight is suspect, and I'll want to replace the whole set with something with better visibility as soon as I figure out what's compatible. SA (only) trigger is about 5lbs OOB, which isn't great, but it breaks sooth and crisp, and has good reset. I like the overtravel adjustment! I ordered a spring kit from Galloway that is SUPPOSED to fit, so will change out the trigger return spring, firing pin and FP block spring at least. Hammer spring is a bit dicey--the ambi safety is staked with a roll pin on the "off" side, and I can't see a way to get it out. Until I figure that out, the hammer spring is staying put, as is the whole sear cage.
My MEcGar mags from my 75b would fit but for the magwell--the heel (toe?) of the mag catches on the magwell a millimeter or two before locking. I'd personally prefer to ditch the magwell altogether, but will obviously need some new grips. My old 75B grips are a no go with magwell removed, but Shadow or EEA Witness might work. Will let someone else figure out that first :).
Overall, fit and finish is nice and clean. There are far fewer tooling marks inside than on my 2003 75B. There isn't a barrel bushing, so there's some jiggle. That's about the only single thing I've found that I don't like that I don't think I can do anything about. But hey, for the price it can't be beat, and it shoots well enough to make me feel bad for the guys next to me at the range.
Interested to hear what others think once these become more common.
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Got mine in this week. Overall very pleased, though the quality of the rear sight is suspect, and I'll want to replace the whole set with something with better visibility as soon as I figure out what's compatible. SA (only) trigger is about 5lbs OOB, which isn't great, but it breaks sooth and crisp, and has good reset. I like the overtravel adjustment! I ordered a spring kit from Galloway that is SUPPOSED to fit, so will change out the trigger return spring, firing pin and FP block spring at least. Hammer spring is a bit dicey--the ambi safety is staked with a roll pin on the "off" side, and I can't see a way to get it out. Until I figure that out, the hammer spring is staying put, as is the whole sear cage.
My MEcGar mags from my 75b would fit but for the magwell--the heel (toe?) of the mag catches on the magwell a millimeter or two before locking. I'd personally prefer to ditch the magwell altogether, but will obviously need some new grips. My old 75B grips are a no go with magwell removed, but Shadow or EEA Witness might work. Will let someone else figure out that first :).
Overall, fit and finish is nice and clean. There are far fewer tooling marks inside than on my 2003 75B. There isn't a barrel bushing, so there's some jiggle. That's about the only single thing I've found that I don't like that I don't think I can do anything about. But hey, for the price it can't be beat, and it shoots well enough to make me feel bad for the guys next to me at the range.
Interested to hear what others think once these become more common.
So not necessarily a $1500-$2000 gun but worth whatever you paid I’m guessing?
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That's a fair assessment. I have less into it than I do my 75b that I bought used (spring replacements, new grips, front sight, etc), and it shoots as well or better. Better, I think, because of the extra weight and the checkering on the front and back of the grip (WHY don't all pistols have that?!), once I get the sights how I like them. With any but a $1500-2000 gun I'd expect to have to do the same stuff so, really, I'd say it's a fair bit better than the price would indicate. I think I overpaid a little, but that's what you get for eagerness.
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What magazines do these take? CZ? Tanfoglio? Their own proprietary?
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That's a fair assessment. I have less into it than I do my 75b that I bought used (spring replacements, new grips, front sight, etc), and it shoots as well or better. Better, I think, because of the extra weight and the checkering on the front and back of the grip (WHY don't all pistols have that?!), once I get the sights how I like them. With any but a $1500-2000 gun I'd expect to have to do the same stuff so, really, I'd say it's a fair bit better than the price would indicate. I think I overpaid a little, but that's what you get for eagerness.
It sounds like a great deal on a very good gun to me. I think it should be an awesome Limited gun, at least for most shooters I know. To compare it to a 1500-2000 dollar gun is a bit unfair, but what you can expect to see. Compare it to a $550 and unless it rattles and shoots sideways it is a great value. It may be made in Turkey, but a lot of good guns are made in Turkey. If you beef this gun up with a FO front sight, a better rear adjustable rear sight, you have a very respectable competition gun for the price of a generic name brand range gun. You don't have to send it to Meca in West Monroe to get it up to snuff and a sticker. But then you don't get to call your gun "West Monroe" ized either. That really ratchets up your status in the CZ world. However it costs about what this gun cost before shipping.
I really like it when you can find a good deal on as good product. That's not saying I wont spend a lot of money on a great product because I love great products as well. I just think if you can find an awesome gun for 550 just because other 550 guns aren't as awesome doesn't mean flaws need to be found in what is a value packed item. It can just be a value packed gun. I think its a fair bit more equipped then the price would indicate as well. Congrats on owning a pretty sweet new gun sir! Enjoy and if you find the dove tail for the site please post them.
RCG
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Got mine in this week. Overall very pleased, though the quality of the rear sight is suspect, and I'll want to replace the whole set with something with better visibility as soon as I figure out what's compatible. SA (only) trigger is about 5lbs OOB, which isn't great, but it breaks sooth and crisp, and has good reset. I like the overtravel adjustment! I ordered a spring kit from Galloway that is SUPPOSED to fit, so will change out the trigger return spring, firing pin and FP block spring at least. Hammer spring is a bit dicey--the ambi safety is staked with a roll pin on the "off" side, and I can't see a way to get it out. Until I figure that out, the hammer spring is staying put, as is the whole sear cage.
My MEcGar mags from my 75b would fit but for the magwell--the heel (toe?) of the mag catches on the magwell a millimeter or two before locking. I'd personally prefer to ditch the magwell altogether, but will obviously need some new grips. My old 75B grips are a no go with magwell removed, but Shadow or EEA Witness might work. Will let someone else figure out that first :).
Overall, fit and finish is nice and clean. There are far fewer tooling marks inside than on my 2003 75B. There isn't a barrel bushing, so there's some jiggle. That's about the only single thing I've found that I don't like that I don't think I can do anything about. But hey, for the price it can't be beat, and it shoots well enough to make me feel bad for the guys next to me at the range.
Interested to hear what others think once these become more common.
Mind sharing some pics of yours? I'd love to see it. 8)
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Will do, once I figure out a place to host them.
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Will do, once I figure out a place to host them.
I recommend and use: https://imgur.com/
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I use imgur too. Just be sure to adjust the image size down a bit when adding new images.
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Let's try this:
(https://i.imgur.com/uQ8260U.jpg?2)
(https://i.imgur.com/3V84kPx.jpg?1)
The offending sight--not sure why it's blurry:
(https://i.imgur.com/a1oRU0P.jpg?2)
Range results at 7yds. Not bad--got a little twitchy there at the end.
(https://i.imgur.com/RY3uuXl.jpg?1)
I also noticed that the mags work in my 75B just fine, so presumably the reverse is true if the magwell is removed.
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I've had a hard time finding SAR guns. Gun Deals is currently blank. Anyone know of "stocking" dealers?
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I've had a hard time finding SAR guns. Gun Deals is currently blank. Anyone know of "stocking" dealers?
The place referred to earlier in the thread still has them.
https://www.ammoaz.com/handguns/semi-automatic-handguns/sar-usa-k12stsp-k-12-sport-9mm-luger-470-171-stainless-steel-gray-polymer-grip-2909119
RCG
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Thanks for the pics! It's a handsome gun, I like it. :) Can't wait to get my hands on a SAR, I'd love to try one out. If they're compatible with a few CZ 75 parts (like a CGW trigger pin, or maybe trigger/hammer) that'd be really awesome.
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It’s already up the the Mid 7s range w/ over 2 days to go on a online auction site. I’d like one but I’ll wait till it gets closer to the $579 MSRP price. If that’s possible?! Great looking pistol tho!
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It’s already up the the Mid 7s range w/ over 2 days to go on a online auction site. I’d like one but I’ll wait till it gets closer to the $579 MSRP price. If that’s possible?! Great looking pistol tho!
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Which is insane, since it's still in stock for $550 at the link posted a little higher up. I guess some people go straight to Gunbroker and never look anywhere else for better deals?
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“ I wanted to be the first kid on my block with a confirmed kill” lol . I’ll be waiting for a deal, or at least list price at the worst. Not for 20-25% over. To each his own. If I had it like that, I do it too
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It’s already up the the Mid 7s range w/ over 2 days to go on a online auction site. I’d like one but I’ll wait till it gets closer to the $579 MSRP price. If that’s possible?! Great looking pistol tho!
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Which is insane, since it's still in stock for $550 at the link posted a little higher up. I guess some people go straight to Gunbroker and never look anywhere else for better deals?
They are out of the pistols a couple days ago. Tried to buy one.
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It sold for just over $800. I’ll def wait!
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That’s crazy to me.
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Looks awesome. Wish it had a rail, and was a little smaller.......
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So I took a chance that the spring kit from Galloway Precision would fit, I'm happy to say that it does! The instructional video was also very good, though I nearly lost the magazine release detent (it's tiny!) and the trigger return spring was not easy. I also had to make a 1/32" punch out of an old dental tool to take out the tiny roll pin holding in the right side safety lever, which is unique to the K12 Sport.
The trigger was already extremely crisp and the pull was at about 4.5lbs from the factory. I took the time to polish the usual parts while it was in pieces, and now it's even smoother, with the pull around 3.5lbs. Would have liked more, but I expect that'll improve some over time as the gun gets worn in. Sooo... overall I'm pretty pleased with this gun, the now lighter trigger, and especially with my polished and smoother action. Everything about this gun is crisper and cleaner than my 75B, and I shoot them about the same.
I also talked with the Lok Grips folks, and I think the Tanfos will fit, cut short for the magwell. I've debated removing the magwell entirely and going with the medium grips, but TBD on that.
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So I took a chance that the spring kit from Galloway Precision would fit, I'm happy to say that it does! The instructional video was also very good, though I nearly lost the magazine release detent (it's tiny!) and the trigger return spring was not easy. I also had to make a 1/32" punch out of an old dental tool to take out the tiny roll pin holding in the right side safety lever, which is unique to the K12 Sport.
The trigger was already extremely crisp and the pull was at about 4.5lbs from the factory. I took the time to polish the usual parts while it was in pieces, and now it's even smoother, with the pull around 3.5lbs. Would have liked more, but I expect that'll improve some over time as the gun gets worn in. Sooo... overall I'm pretty pleased with this gun, the no lighter trigger, and especially with my polished and smoother action. Everything about this gun is crisper and cleaner than my 75B, and I shoot them about the same.
I also talked with the Lok Grips folks, and I think the Tanfos will fit, cut short for the magwell. I've debated removing the magwell entirely and going with the medium grips, but TBD on that.
Just a thought, maybe get the medium LOK grips and if you wanna reinstall the mag well later you can trim the grips.
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That's the solution for sure. As a knifemaker I'm used to fitting g10 to metal with tight tolerances. Should be an easy modification if I go that way.
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So I took a chance that the spring kit from Galloway Precision would fit, I'm happy to say that it does! The instructional video was also very good, though I nearly lost the magazine release detent (it's tiny!) and the trigger return spring was not easy. I also had to make a 1/32" punch out of an old dental tool to take out the tiny roll pin holding in the right side safety lever, which is unique to the K12 Sport.
The trigger was already extremely crisp and the pull was at about 4.5lbs from the factory. I took the time to polish the usual parts while it was in pieces, and now it's even smoother, with the pull around 3.5lbs. Would have liked more, but I expect that'll improve some over time as the gun gets worn in. Sooo... overall I'm pretty pleased with this gun, the now lighter trigger, and especially with my polished and smoother action. Everything about this gun is crisper and cleaner than my 75B, and I shoot them about the same.
I also talked with the Lok Grips folks, and I think the Tanfos will fit, cut short for the magwell. I've debated removing the magwell entirely and going with the medium grips, but TBD on that.
The Tanfo mag well size grips from LOK are very awesome and work great with the mag well if you keep it on. Everything with handguns is so personal and subjective but I'd keep the magwell and fit the grips for it. enjoy, good to know the spring kit worked. When it works out like that it's always a good feeling. Congrats on the new gun!
RCG
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I really love my K12. My only gripe is the fat black front sight other than that I feel Sar knocked it out of the park on this one, super great value for the money. I got mine for $597 on that ammoaz site.
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Classic firearms has 3 for sale right now
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Wonder if they have any plans for a 40 S&W version...
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travis f..did you ever find a sight the would work on the k12 something made for it or some other brand ??
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travis f..did you ever find a sight the would work on the k12 something made for it or some other brand ??
I never did. Right about the time I was getting into this gun Covid happened, and say what you want about me--I'm not going to pay $45 a box for 9mm ammo. I haven't shot it in over a year to conserve what little ammo I have left. I'm encouraged by the data available in the new(ish) sticky though.
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I never did. Right about the time I was getting into this gun Covid happened, and say what you want about me--I'm not going to pay $45 a box for 9mm ammo. I haven't shot it in over a year to conserve what little ammo I have left.
Can't say as I blame you at all for conserving what ammunition you have. I have a good stash of ammunition going and I reload, but even I am shooting very very sparingly these days.
My last Range Session in early October I went thru 20 rounds of .22 LR for one Pistol and 50 rounds of 9mm Match Reloads for three different 9mm Pistols, and I have not been back to the Pistol Range since. I've not been to a good Rifle Range in two years now. Fortunately, all of my Rifles are sighted in.
I do hope things improve soon, but I think it's going to be awhile yet. In the meantime, I think I'll develop a new 9mm loading and keep busy in my reloading room. I still have a good stash of components to work with, so I need to get to work there.
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So... I'm looking at this new K12 Sport E and the trigger aint great. I know there are the spring kits, but I think the first thing to go will be the FPB.
I've removed these on czs before. I'm guessing its pretty much the same here? Do I need a spacer like on the CZ or what?
Once that is out I will polish then decide on if it needs full spring kit.
Thanks,
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So... I'm looking at this new K12 Sport E and the trigger aint great. I know there are the spring kits, but I think the first thing to go will be the FPB.
I've removed these on czs before. I'm guessing its pretty much the same here? Do I need a spacer like on the CZ or what?
Once that is out I will polish then decide on if it needs full spring kit.
Thanks,
Actually, Automatic Firing Pin Block on the SAR Pistols is not at all like the Cz75B Series Pistols and removing it will have absolutely no impact on Trigger Pull.
SAR Pistols use the same Martin Tuma designed AFPB that the Tanfoglio Pistols use, which releases the Block rather than pushes up the Block.
I recommend that you leave it as it is. If you're going to mod anything, start with the Springs, although it's been reported that light strikes can occur
with optional Hammer/Main Springs.
I recommend just shooting the Pistol as much as possible and letting everything wear in, before going mod crazy.
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hmm, interesting.
I'm new to tangfos. I have the spring kit ordered. I checked the other thread about the top end replacement parts but thats a bit over my budget for now.
Looking forward to learning. I can already say that the Firing pin plate design is much easier to mess with than the roll pin type of CZ.
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I hope to test drive one to compare with my Shadow 2. Man if it can be as accurate and easy to shoot for half the price....
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I can already say that the Firing pin plate design is much easier to mess with than the roll pin type of CZ.
Yes, the firing pin retaining pin is annoying to me. Just seems unnecessary.
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I installed the spring kit and honed the good bits. Learned a lot. I had issue getting the right side safety keeper pin back in. What size are they or where can I get another? I used a finishing nail for a range trip, but that was too small. Then I used a small rollpin from something else that looked correct but was a bit tight still. I think next time I will turn down a section of brass rod to use as a slave pin to make sure the rollpin is aligned correctly when hammering back in.
I contacted support with SAR and told them my issue but if I can just go to lowes and get a rollpin that will work Im down for that as well, just want to confirm size. BTW the right side safety isn't in the user manual PDF, hence the rollpin is not there either.
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I installed the spring kit and honed the good bits. Learned a lot. I had issue getting the right side safety keeper pin back in. What size are they or where can I get another? I used a finishing nail for a range trip, but that was too small. Then I used a small rollpin from something else that looked correct but was a bit tight still. I think next time I will turn down a section of brass rod to use as a slave pin to make sure the rollpin is aligned correctly when hammering back in.
I contacted support with SAR and told them my issue but if I can just go to lowes and get a rollpin that will work Im down for that as well, just want to confirm size. BTW the right side safety isn't in the user manual PDF, hence the rollpin is not there either.
Good luck getting anything out of SAR USA. Try Partriot Defense out of Kemah, TX or hardware store.
How’d the trigger feel after the work?
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Well CS already replied with " our people that know are at shot show, try next week". cool/fair. no biggie, but you can bet I'll be lurking on lowes tomorrow. The pin I used to replace was extractor or ejector retianer pin (whichever is smaller) for an AR-15 bolt.
It's a great shooter, for stock and price range. I'm actually selling it for $650 to fund a big green holosun dot. I paid 707 for it before the springs.
the trigger IMO is as good as a stockS2 in SA. Its not mush, but does have just a tip of roll as opposed to break. It's really good, but its not up to the CGW break that my favs have. If I don't sell it no biggie, it will round out the SS collection nicely. It was a fun project and I learned a lot.
I think I found the rollpin, I just don't know what size this converts to.
https://www.tanfoglio.it/shop/ricambi/molle-and-spine/pr035-spina-2-5-x-8-mm-clone-2.html
grainger roll pin link: https://www.grainger.com/category/fasteners/pins/spring-pins?attrs=Basic+Material%7CSteel~~Spring+Pin+Type%7CSlotted&filters=attrs
I also found one on patriot defense but lost the link. If I end up going with them I'll post it for ref. I'll post whatever ends up fixing it actually.
thx!