The Original CZ Forum
GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: marinedoc on May 26, 2020, 01:59:09 PM
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Not new to shooting but fairly new to CZ. For those with more experience, how do you compare a CZ (pick your model) to the Glock 19 or possibly Glock 43, as your EDC? Which CZ would you pick if CZ your choice? And reason for choosing particular model.
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Shadowline Compact for EDC and a replacement for the Glock G19.
Reason:
Easier to shoot. More accurate than the G19. Same platform as my full size Shadow pistols that I shoot in competition. Heavier than a G19, but thanks to aluminum alloy frame, not too cumbersome.
I don't have a suggestion for a G43 replacement. So I carry a G43 for NPE conditions or when dressed in gym clothes.
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Any stock CZ with a safety and/or external hammer is a safer design than any stock Glock. I think you'll also find the CZ more accurate and ergonomic.
For EDC it'd be hard to beat the P-07. Run it with the decocker if you carry in Condition 2, or swap in the safety for Condition 1 carry. Another option is the 2075 RAMI, which might well be the most accurate stock subcompact available.
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I have carried a Glock 19 and a RAMI in years past. Currently edc a P-07. I dig it. About all I can say.
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Any stock CZ with a safety and/or external hammer is a safer design than any stock Glock. I think you'll also find the CZ more accurate and ergonomic.
This is a pretty hard pill for me to swallow. I'm pretty sure you still have to push the trigger on a Glock for it to fire. What makes any CZ a safer design than any Glock?
I may just need a lesson in design safety.
Would I rather own a CZ then a Glock? yes
Would I rather carry a CZ? yes
Do I own both brands? yes
Do I feel safer with one brand in my holster over the other? no
Can I shoot one brand consistently more accurate then the other? Yes the CZ, partially because of the ergonomics of the gun
Would I recommend a P-01 over a G19 ….yes if it was up to me.
Do I think my Glocks are designed less safe then a CZ? No
I do carry a CZ P-01 7-8 months of the year and feel 100% comfortable and confident in it.
RCG
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Not new to shooting but fairly new to CZ. For those with more experience, how do you compare a CZ (pick your model) to the Glock 19 or possibly Glock 43, as your EDC?
I have carried my PCR for over 10 years now and that is the standard for which I judge anything else I might be interested in. I've never considered a glock of any kind and while I have tried other striker fired brands I'm just not interested. I do have a pair of Sig M11A1's that find their way onto my hip from time to time but for me the PCR is "the gun".
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I'm not fan of Glock. And hard for me to compare G19 to CZ because striker fired CZ doesn't fit me as well. From EDC perspective P-07 much better option than G19 and P-01 better option than P-07... which means G19 is 2 steps down 8)
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My P07 is as reliable as my Glock was.
Fits my hand better.
Shoots way better groups.
That P07 is my EDC concealed pistol.
The time or two when I've carried where I wouldn't carry the P07 I carried an FNS Compact. Not as accurate as the P07, but the darn thing is so "small" I keep thinking I've lost it.
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Closest comparison in CZ’s line up to the Glock 19 is probably the P10C. As far as the G43, probably the P10M that was recently announced, but haven’t seen any of those yet in the wild.
I have a G19 and G43 in my collection. Both have their uses and I carried the G43 for a number of years. IMO the ergos of the P10C fits my hand better and I like the trigger more, but the G19 does have a really big loyal following and huge after-market support.
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I carried a Glock 19 for 7-8 years. It did it’s job and did it well but I never much cared for it. I switched to the P10-C a few years ago and never looked back. The P10 is superior to me without a doubt.
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Since you asked........
CZ-75 Compact
-Has metal frame and slide
-Has thumb safety
-Has exposed hammer
-Not striker fired
-Doesn't have a widget on the trigger
-Feels better in my hand
-Did I mention it isn't made of plastic?
The CZ-75 Compact is what I carry when not carrying a 1911 (for the same reasons above).
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I prefer DA/SA, so based on that and my experience I chose the CZ P07. I really only carry it concealed when on TX Army National Guard duty and it conceals easily in an OWB holster under my uniform. Now most of the time I am in shorts and a t shirt since it is hot and humid most of the year here in SE Texas. So, the P07 is harder to conceal for me. My normal EDC is an M&P Shield 9 or Ruger LCR 38.
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PCR is the perfect EDC for me.
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P-01 or P-07 8)
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I used to carry a G19 OWB or a 26 IWB depending on the weather / clothing. After switching to AIWB, I carry hammer guns exclusively - almost always a P01.
There's nothing wrong with the striker guns per se, but I'd rather put training time in on one type of platform. Just my opinion and not intended as advice at all - once I'm done toying with a Glock trigger to the point where it is very shootable, it's bordering on unsafe for AIWB carry.
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I’ll let you know.... Just sold my Glock 23 and then purchased a Tristar/Canik C-100 to replace it. I currently have a Shadow 2 and an SP-01 that gets most of my range time, dry firing, and the Shadow 2 gets competition time. So, I’m going to try a DA/SA for carry.
Kind of easing into it by puchasing a budget CZ clone. Hasn’t shipped to my FFL as of yet.
However, there isn’t a CZ that can replace my Glock 43. The size, loaded weight, and concealability really make it an excellent choice for me for edc. It’s great with shorts and a t-shirt, or in a belly band while jogging, or if I need to pocket carry, I can make that work.
Looking forward to the C-100 as part of my carry options.
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So far the C-100 has been great. Reliable with two types of target ammo and my carry ammo in two range sessions. No issues. Just picked up a holster and ordered new grips. One more range session without issue and it goes into the rotation.
Feels better in hand than my G23 and more accurate on paper. Previously owned a G19 and just didn’t warm up to it. I seem to shoot the full size Glocks 17/22 better than the compacts, and I shoot my G43 better than I did with the 19 or 23. Something about the compact Glocks just wasn’t right for me. So far the Compact CZ clone seems just right.
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Got a CZ P-07 for EDC because the specs were just about the same as the G19. After having shot both along with the M&P 2.0 compact, I found that they're all excellent but only one has DA/SA. I wanted to carry appendix and having the heavier double action first makes me feel better about not having a negligent or accidental discharge. For a defensive handgun, I try to keep the gun as close to factory as possible, so the G19's advantage of aftermarket support didn't sway me. The P-07 has decent aftermarket support too, since there's a bit of crossover with the P10 and P-09.
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I have been carrying a PO1 Omega for a while now as my daily carry, the only mod being my custom mag bases installed on Mecgar 17 round mags to increase my round count, I am not trying to hide it so I don't care about printing.
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I replaced my Glock 19 and 26 with a CZ P07 and a Rami BD. Both CZ's are far more accurate than my Glocks were and feel better in my hand the only down side I can see is the cost of CZ magazines. After much shooting and a couple spring changes my CZ's have 7 lb. D/A triggers and clean S/A triggers around 4 lb. or less what's not to like. Many of my shooting buddy's have changed their Glocks barrel, trigger, sights and many other parts to try and make their pistols shoot as well as my CZ's. My Rami is my EDC pistol 90% of the time the other 10% I feel well armed with my only compact striker fired pistol a Sig P365.
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Could it be your shooting buddies just don't shoot as well as you?
One of my buddies once said to me "I wish my Berretta 92 shot as accurate as your SP-01"
I said give it to me for a minute.....wah lah it did when I shot it.
Just sayin'
RCG
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Any stock CZ with a safety and/or external hammer is a safer design than any stock Glock. I think you'll also find the CZ more accurate and ergonomic.
This is a pretty hard pill for me to swallow. I'm pretty sure you still have to push the trigger on a Glock for it to fire. What makes any CZ a safer design than any Glock?
I may just need a lesson in design safety.
Happy to oblige.
The short, roughly 5.5-lb trigger pull of the Glock pushes inadvertently far more easily than the long, roughly 10-lb double-action trigger pull of the CZ carried in condition 2 or its roughly 6-lb single action trigger which is unmoveable when safety locked if carried in condition 1.
Simple physics, which has something to do with why there are so many stories about affirmatively safetiless Glocks being negligently discharged.
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CZ-75D PCR Compact is what I carry. Would also consider the P-01 or P-07 configured with the decocker.
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I carry a CZ-82. I ride. I wear fairly heavy gloves. The CZ82 is the only pistol I have found specifically designed with heavy gloves in mind. It pocket carries easily. It comes standard with polygonal rifling, which is a more consistently accurate design. It covers all of my EDC needs.
As far as a Glock 19, well I am biased against any striker fired pistol with a light trigger and nothing better than a drop safety disengaged by the same action as a trigger pull. This design is IMO an OC hard holster configuration and cannot fill all the roles I require. Sure, I’d use a Glock, but not CC and not with soft holsters. It’s a limited design in my view. Absolutely wonderfully designed for military or police work but not so much for some civilian roles.
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I'd take my CGW P-10C over a Glock any day of the week.
Not bashing Glock, but the P-10C is a better gun, imo.