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GENERAL => General Firearms Discussion => Topic started by: A. on September 23, 2020, 06:47:21 AM
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We are spending a lot of time and effort to improve trigger on CZ guns. What is in your opinion best SA/DA trigger (any maker) you ever saw on a standard factory gun out of the box?
Please share your experience.
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Honestly for me at least, the most I'll usually do for a trigger job is just a lighter hammer spring that doesn't compromise primer ignition and a bit of polishing on the hammer hooks and the top of the hammer strut. But that is just me.
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Walther PPQ SF and shadow 2.
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Best factory DA/SA that I have experienced that I own would be not truly factory. My Elite LTT that came from LTT with thier trigger job is amazing. Pure factory would be my SP-01 tactical. It really smoothed out after a couple hundred rounds.
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Sig P229 Legion - smooth as butter.
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I’ve heard more than once that the CZ-82 has the best SA/DA factory trigger.
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Sig P229 Legion - smooth as butter.
Mine is also. It is what prompted me to work on my CZs. I wanted the CZs to feel like the Legion out of the box.
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That’s an interesting question, but too open to interpretation. A “factory” gun can be Hohum or great depending on the model. CZ is a perfect example; the basic 75B trigger is Hohum. Add some TLC; better. Add some parts; great. This is what the top of the line CZ models are, upgraded 75B triggers. They are still classified as standard production pistol. A lot of manufactures do this. It’s one of the reasons CZs are so popular IMO. The average shooter with a mechanical inclination can turn their gun into an great shooter without the big upfront cost.
The question needs to be price adjusted: In this price range what trigger is best? Of course then you get into value and best bang for the buck. Then there is the out of the box vs after a few hundred rounds. CZ can be rough right from the factory and are usually much better after some use. So which one is the standard? I’ve had some CZ clones that were very good out of the box., better than CZs.
I’m not an expert on Sig nomenclature but isn’t the Legion model the factory upgraded version of a Base model?
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From what I have read, the Shadow and Shadow Orange CZ-75's, Legion Sigs, Langdon Tactical Beretta 92's and PX4's and Wilson Combat Beretta 92's have the best DA/SA triggers out of the box. Particularly if you have the Langdon Trigger Job/Trigger Job in A Bag on the Beretta 92/PX4.
With standard model production pistols, one of the features the manufacturers are trying to make happen on a gun is reliable ignition of ammunition. There's also might be liability with trigger pulls; therefore some manufactures think that a heavier trigger might result in less negligent discharges.
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My favorite is West German P228 vintage 1990-1995. SA is so clean that I can shoot bullseye with it.
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That’s an interesting question, but too open to interpretation. A “factory” gun can be Hohum or great depending on the model. CZ is a perfect example; the basic 75B trigger is Hohum. Add some TLC; better. Add some parts; great. This is what the top of the line CZ models are, upgraded 75B triggers. They are still classified as standard production pistol. A lot of manufactures do this. It’s one of the reasons CZs are so popular IMO. The average shooter with a mechanical inclination can turn their gun into an great shooter without the big upfront cost.
The question needs to be price adjusted: In this price range what trigger is best? Of course then you get into value and best bang for the buck. Then there is the out of the box vs after a few hundred rounds. CZ can be rough right from the factory and are usually much better after some use. So which one is the standard? I’ve had some CZ clones that were very good out of the box., better than CZs.
I’m not an expert on Sig nomenclature but isn’t the Legion model the factory upgraded version of a Base model?
AZ_CZ, The Legion is a dressed up version of the 229. Color choice/coating type, Gray Guns trigger, short reset, X-ray sights (Sig's name), G-10 w/logo, and similar things done by all manufacturers. I got lucky with price on mine. I suppose due to .357Sig version.
The best trigger for the money in my little group of guns is my Walther PPX. $279.00 from CDNN and it is pretty darned good out of the box. The thing shoots as well as anything I own, but is finicky on ammo. Fun range toy.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200923/da32772b97c3e2c1a93962ac6feb595e.jpg)
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For me, the Grand Power I used to have was easily the best factory stock DA/SA. After that any of the various Berettas between the 92, 96, and 8000 series.
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We are spending a lot of time and effort to improve trigger on CZ guns. What is in your opinion best SA/DA trigger (any maker) you ever saw on a standard factory gun out of the box?
Please share your experience.
DA/SA triggers have allot of different aspects that one may like or dislike. Which specific aspects are we talking about?
I do not spend time an effort while working on CZs. I have fun tinkering, it is a timeless effortless endeavor. :)
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We are spending a lot of time and effort to improve trigger on CZ guns. What is in your opinion best SA/DA trigger (any maker) you ever saw on a standard factory gun out of the box?
Please share your experience.
i would have to say some of the older Colts and S&W had some really nice triggers.
Dont forget that by working the trigger/parts, you are more or less shortening the useful life of those parts.
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It's also worth pointing out that, while my SP-01 and PCR may not have had quite as refined triggers out of the box as some of the higher end examples we've been mentioning, I only paid <$600 for each of those CZs, and maybe put a couple hundred into them at most, and they now have really nice triggers after a few simple upgrades and a bunch of use. That's still a lot less $$ in the end than a Legion, Shadow or an LTT 92. So I still think that, while you may need to put a little time and cash into them, depending on your tastes, CZs are still a really good bargain for a rock-solid, time-tested pistol.
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I have to agree that for me the smoothest DA trigger was my sig P229 Legion, but recently I purchased the Beretta 92x Performance, and the DA rivals the Sig.
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My 75 Shadowline has a very smooth and crisp factory trigger and is the best I've experienced.
DA a bit heavier than the CGW pro-pack on my PCR, but the Shadowline SA is very close and it has a great break with very little creep. I've found no reason to improve the SA trigger at all and have not even changed to a lighter hammer spring. (probably the only mods I will eventually make to the Shadowline will be hammer spring and 10X bushing)
DA is also smooth, but a bit heavier (I'm guessing ~ 8 lbs) but is is quite controllable and easy.
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I realize you're referring to pistols, but my early 70's Colt Python and Diamondback have super smooth DA and fantastic SA triggers. Pistol would be my LTT Beretta PX4 Carry. This is the full size version with all the LTT upgrades installed at the Beretta factory and tested by Langdon Tactical before delivery.
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My 1965(ish) bone stock S&W Model 39 is just so sweet. Very nice single stack.
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My Beretta PX4 Storm .45 has a super sweet DA/SA Trigger!
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My Beretta PX4 Storm .45 has a super sweet DA/SA Trigger!
I think the PX4 series has a lighter hammer spring than the standard 92 series hammer spring.
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My Beretta PX4 Storm .45 has a super sweet DA/SA Trigger!
I think the PX4 series has a lighter hammer spring than the standard 92 series hammer spring.
The standard hammer spring is the same as the "D" spring for the 92 Series. The Compact and full size Carry versions have the competition trigger group and a 4 pound lighter 12 pound spring.
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At under $1000, I would have to say the Grand power Excalibur had the best SA/DA trigger that I have experienced out of the box. At over $1000, the Shadow 2 and Shadow 2 Orange are at the top IMO.
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depending on how much latitude is given to the term "factory", a Korth revolver is about as good as a DA/SA trigger could dream about being 8)
and at Korth prices, dreaming is as close as I'll ever come to owning one :o
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I’ve heard more than once that the CZ-82 has the best SA/DA factory trigger.
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Has anyone here ever shot a factory-new CZ 82? My milsurp 82 has DA and SA trigger pulls that are astonishingly smoother and lighter than those on either of my 83s, but I've always assumed this is because the 82 was well used by the Czechoslovak military. I understand all internal parts are identical between the 82 and 83.
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depending on how much latitude is given to the term "factory", a Korth revolver is about as good as a DA/SA trigger could dream about being 8)
and at Korth prices, dreaming is as close as I'll ever come to owning one :o
This. The question should be best DA for “out of the box”.
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On the other side of the spectrum, the Polish P-64 9mm Mak wins for the worst DA trigger (somewhere around 25#), but the SA is really nice. Well used P-64 pistols can get to a more manageable 11-12# DA with a lighter mainspring.
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It has been said, that the Colt, Z40 / CZ 40 had the best, out of the box Trigger, of all DA/SA Pistols
Don't know, never held one
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It has been said, that the Colt, Z40 / CZ 40 had the best, out of the box Trigger, of all DA/SA Pistols
Don't know, never held one
The Colt Z40 was DAO. The CZ 40B does have a nice DA/SA trigger, but I've never handled one fresh out of the box.
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Handled a FN 45 Tactical today, and while it may not be the absolute best DA/SA trigger I've felt on a factory gun, it was pretty darn high on the list. Extremely smooth and linear pull, like butter without a hint of grit.