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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => CZF KADET KLUB => Topic started by: Milanski on November 18, 2020, 11:21:33 PM
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Hi. Not sure if this was addressed before but I would greatly appreciate if anyone can help me correct this issue. I've just fitted my new kadet on a P01 omega frame and took it to the range. Out of some 150 rounds about 2/3 failed to fire the first time. Only after i cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger would it fire. I haven't tried DA but i saw someone mentioned that it worked that way. Any one has a similar problem and was it ever resolved? Does it matter that my gun has a decocker and not safety?
Anything helps. Thank you
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Hi. Not sure if this was addressed before but I would greatly appreciate if anyone can help me correct this issue. I've just fitted my new kadet on a P01 omega frame and took it to the range. Out of some 150 rounds about 2/3 failed to fire the first time. Only after i cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger would it fire. I haven't tried DA but i saw someone mentioned that it worked that way. Any one has a similar problem and was it ever resolved? Does it matter that my gun has a decocker and not safety?
Anything helps. Thank you
What weight Hammer spring do you have installed?
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What ever is original from the factory. I haven't touched any inside parts on either the frame or the kadet adapter. Also, i randomly saw someone suggest filling the magazine to help out into battery. I'm not even sure this is what's going on.
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I haven't heard of that before. I have A Kadet SP-01 adapter on my P-01 Omega, though, and it works flawlessly. I got that one because the magazines had the loading tabs and were a lot cheaper.
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It would have to have a factory 75 hammer spring and because it is on a P-01, you need to have a specific Slide Stop that does not come with the kit. If you contact CZ's customer service department they should be able to get you that part for free. Because I just looked to make sure my info was correct, I have the part number you need handy:
0440008002
It can be found here on their website:
https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-kadet-adapter-ii-22-lr-adj-sights-10-rd-mags-will-fit-omega-system/
Hope this helps
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Welcome to the Forum Milanski
Since this is a brand new KADET Kit, it could be a simple as; your new KADET just need a good initial cleaning
The Chamber, or the Firing Pin Tunnel could be full crud, right from the Factory
Both of these issues would cause the Round to either; not seat fully into the Chamber, or getting a good solid (initial) Pin Strike
The first Strike seats the Round, the second one firers it
Also, the .22lr Round itself, is the filthiest Ammo around
Some Brands are worse than others
Say you're using Winchester 555 .... Winchester (specially Winchester Bulk) are by far, the dirtiest of them all
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Thank you all for your feedback. It sounds like I should be trying different things. Since last night I have taken down apart everything including the firing pin. Everything was clean and it seemed to have been working just fine. Just for the reference I had tried CCI minimags, Federal, CCI standard velocity, and Winchester rounds and it did the same thing for all of them. Surprisingly the Winchester 555 had the least of them malfunction. Going back to taking it apart, I haven't seen any track marks anywhere to show that something was preventing it from firing. I went through 20 rounds off snap caps and all of them had tracks from the firing pin. I'm only concerned that somehow after the initial racking it doesn't blow back with enough Force come back into battery completely. I will however call CZ and see if they can send me a different slide stop however the kit came with two different ones one of which was almost identical as the one I have with my original 9 mm one with slight length extension to be able to catch onto the magazine. I'll try that before sending it in and maybe changing the decocker to safety as well as breaking it in a little bit more, cuz I really don't want to waste time on shipping back and forth if it's something as simple as that.
Any additional suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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I will however call CZ and see if they can send me a different slide stop however the kit came with two different ones one of which was almost identical as the one I have with my original 9 mm one with slight length extension to be able to catch onto the magazine. I'll try that before sending it in and maybe changing the decocker to safety as well as breaking it in a little bit more, cuz I really don't want to waste time on shipping back and forth if it's something as simple as that.
Any additional suggestions are greatly appreciated.
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If the Bolt is dragging on the Slide Stop, that could do just as you have described
Also, there is a spot on the Bolt that the Safety rises against
If that isn't correct, then (usually) the Safety will not engage, I guess it could drag there too
"C" on page 25 of the Manual
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So I was playing with it last night and comparing how the original 9mm sits as oppose to the kadet. It looks like the slide stop does not make contact and is just fine. However the ejector seams to be touching on the slide completely as oppose to having clearance on the 9mm slide. This is the only part of the gun that appears to be sitting wrong compared to the 9mm slide.i also cleaned and lubed it so I'll take it to the range tomorrow and see what happens. Might need to send it in after all.
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I think I found it. I was looking at a thread last night where they were playing with the hammer so I went to check it out. Sure enough mine was hitting the frame first (the frame the barrel is mounted on not the slide) before hitting the firing pin. Somehow the whole thing is 0.5 mm to the left and then it centers when it hits. At first I thought I might have filed it too much but after checking it out it looks pretty snug so I'm not sure if this is a factory issue. Upload photos as soon as I figure out how
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Guess my question is, how does your Hammer fit on the P01 Slide ?
Is it just me, or does the KADET Slide Frame looked tweaked to the left a bit compared to the bolt ?
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It appears to me that the hammer pivot pin is working its way out of the hammer. It should be considerably further to the right and more importantly there should be a keeper pin that holds the hammer pin in. That pin is held in by the sear cage and is almost vertically oriented.
Joe
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It appears to me that the hammer pivot pin is working its way out of the hammer. It should be considerably further to the right and more importantly there should be a keeper pin that holds the hammer pin in. That pin is held in by the sear cage and can almost vertically oriented.
Joe
The same thing crossed my mind. The 75 Omega seems to be different in the way that the Hammer Pin is retained. I am not sure how it is done in the 75 Omega model, but it dose not look like it has a (#19) Hammer Pin Retaining Pin like the CZ 75 variant classic trigger system.
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After digging up a few pictures of the P-01 Omega I can see that they don’t use the keeper pin as most of the other CZ 75B pistols do. Dis regard my earlier post.
Thank you, Tok36, for pointing out my error.
Joe
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It appears to me that the hammer pivot pin is working its way out of the hammer. It should be considerably further to the right and more importantly there should be a keeper pin that holds the hammer pin in. That pin is held in by the sear cage and can almost vertically oriented.
Joe
The same thing crossed my mind. The 75 Omega seems to be different in the way that the Hammer Pin is retained. I am not sure how it is done in the 75 Omega model, but it dose not look like it has a (#19) Hammer Pin Retaining Pin like the CZ 75 variant classic trigger system.
From the looks of it, the radius of the Disconnector (#17) holds the Hammer Pin (#18, which is reversed in the drawing) in place
And the Ejector holds the Sear Pin
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Guess my question is, how does your Hammer fit on the P01 Slide ?
Is it just me, or does the KADET Slide Frame looked tweaked to the left a bit compared to the bolt ?
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Is also a bit to the right but it clears all on the original 9mm slide
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If you decide to File anything, file the spot on your KADET then
But, it still looks to me like the KADET Frame is tweaked a bit to the left
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Let face it guys (and gals) as much as we love our CZ’s the quality control on the very expensive Kadet adapter sucks!!
Joe
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Now JOE ! ! !
but you're right
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Thank you all for suggestions. I've looked at it all and it looks like I'll have to mail it cz to look at it. Already spoke to their customer service and they are sending me a shipping label. I'll update as soon as I get it back.
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I am wondering if this was solved by sending the kit back to the factory?
My experience is similar:
Failure to fire so far about 1~2 times out of every 20 rounds. I say out of 20, because I load two magazines at a time, pause to reload, repeat.
- Hammer clicks, no ignition.
- Looks like it is not out of battery, tapping bolt from the back does not help.
- Cocking hammer again for a restrike makes no difference.
- Round ejects fine when slide is cycled.
- Rim inspection, no dent, looks like firing pin never made contact.
The adapter is fairly clean, the firing pin has not been touched. The gun gets cleaned after each trip to the range. I try to pay special attention to the chamber (because 22lr!) 200~300 rounds fired, cleaned 3 times.
I inserted just the bolt into the rails, looks like it is moving fine, not riding the stop pin or making contact with anything else it is not supposed to.
If you insert the magazine, you can also see the interaction between the magazine follower, the tab on the stop pin, spring etc, but that is another thread... ::)
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I am wondering if this was solved by sending the kit back to the factory?
My experience is similar:
Failure to fire so far about 1~2 times out of every 20 rounds. I say out of 20, because I load two magazines at a time, pause to reload, repeat.
- Hammer clicks, no ignition.
- Looks like it is not out of battery, tapping bolt from the back does not help.
- Cocking hammer again for a restrike makes no difference.
- Round ejects fine when slide is cycled.
- Rim inspection, no dent, looks like firing pin never made contact.
The adapter is fairly clean, the firing pin has not been touched. The gun gets cleaned after each trip to the range. I try to pay special attention to the chamber (because 22lr!) 200~300 rounds fired, cleaned 3 times.
I inserted just the bolt into the rails, looks like it is moving fine, not riding the stop pin or making contact with anything else it is not supposed to.
If you insert the magazine, you can also see the interaction between the magazine follower, the tab on the stop pin, spring etc, but that is another thread... ::)
I can't figure out how to respond to a message (says I do not have access) so I'm answering a question about the Kadet 22lr polymer mags I use for my P-01. Mine are marked CZ 75 SP-01*CZ Shadow 2. They stick out of the grip of the P-01 but I found the X-Grip adapter for the Beretta 92C magazines works great to fill the contour on the front of the grip (nearly flush on the back). They have worked flawlessly for me. Easy to load with the tabs and easy to empty through the P-01. And these days, a lot cheaper than the 9mm.
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I can't figure out how to respond to a message (says I do not have access) so I'm answering a question about the Kadet 22lr polymer mags I use for my P-01. Mine are marked CZ 75 SP-01*CZ Shadow 2. They stick out of the grip of the P-01 but I found the X-Grip adapter for the Beretta 92C magazines works great to fill the contour on the front of the grip (nearly flush on the back). They have worked flawlessly for me. Easy to load with the tabs and easy to empty through the P-01. And these days, a lot cheaper than the 9mm.
OK, I need a little clarification
Are you saying that you're SP-02 / Shadow 2, Ploy Mags work with an all steel CZ75 KADET Kit ?
Or is the KADET Kit you're using an alloy Shadow 2 or an SP-01 Kit ?
If you've found a way to get those Ploy Mags to work with a Steel CZ75 KADET / KADET 2, you really need to post any mod you've use to make that work
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I can't figure out how to respond to a message (says I do not have access) so I'm answering a question about the Kadet 22lr polymer mags I use for my P-01. Mine are marked CZ 75 SP-01*CZ Shadow 2. They stick out of the grip of the P-01 but I found the X-Grip adapter for the Beretta 92C magazines works great to fill the contour on the front of the grip (nearly flush on the back). They have worked flawlessly for me. Easy to load with the tabs and easy to empty through the P-01. And these days, a lot cheaper than the 9mm.
OK, I need a little clarification
Are you saying that you're SP-02 / Shadow 2, Ploy Mags work with an all steel CZ75 KADET Kit ?
Or is the KADET Kit you're using an alloy Shadow 2 or an SP-01 Kit ?
If you've found a way to get those Ploy Mags to work with a Steel CZ75 KADET / KADET 2, you really need to post any mod you've use to make that work
Second that. If such mod exists. Poly mags are lot cheaper than CZ 75 Kadet, Kadet2 mags.
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Sorry if I confused the question. I am using an SP-01 Kadet on my P-01 Omega with the polymer mags. I specifically got that Kadet kit because the mags were so much cheaper and had the easy load tabs.
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Sorry if I confused the question. I am using an SP-01 Kadet on my P-01 Omega with the polymer mags. I specifically got that Kadet kit because the mags were so much cheaper and had the easy load tabs.
Thanks for that
I understand your thought process too
Personally, I appreciate the design, that yields the amazing accuracy, of the all steel CZ75 KADET Adaptors
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I can appreciate that, too. I know that at this point in my gun life, my pistols and Kadet are much more accurate than I am. I was amazed at how accurate my Kadet was - I can only imagine the all steel one if that's even more accurate!