Kadet 2 on p01 omega failure to fire

[Milanski]

Hi. Not sure if this was addressed before but I would greatly appreciate if anyone can help me correct this issue. I've just fitted my new kadet on a P01 omega frame and took it to the range. Out of some 150 rounds about 2/3 failed to fire the first time. Only after i cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger would it fire. I haven't tried DA but i saw someone mentioned that it worked that way. Any one has a similar problem and was it ever resolved? Does it matter that my gun has a decocker and not safety?
Anything helps. Thank you

[Tok36]

Hi. Not sure if this was addressed before but I would greatly appreciate if anyone can help me correct this issue. I've just fitted my new kadet on a P01 omega frame and took it to the range. Out of some 150 rounds about 2/3 failed to fire the first time. Only after i cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger would it fire. I haven't tried DA but i saw someone mentioned that it worked that way. Any one has a similar problem and was it ever resolved? Does it matter that my gun has a decocker and not safety?
Anything helps. Thank you

What weight Hammer spring do you have installed?

[Milanski]

What ever is original from the factory. I haven't touched any inside parts on either the frame or the kadet adapter. Also, i randomly saw someone suggest filling the magazine to help out into battery. I'm not even sure this is what's going on.

[Crosstrains]

I haven't heard of that before.  I have A Kadet SP-01 adapter on my P-01 Omega, though, and it works flawlessly.  I got that one because the magazines had the loading tabs and were a lot cheaper. 


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[iLikeCZ]

It would have to have a factory 75 hammer spring and because it is on a P-01, you need to have a specific Slide Stop that does not come with the kit. If you contact CZ's customer service department they should be able to get you that part for free. Because I just looked to make sure my info was correct, I have the part number you need handy:

0440008002

It can be found here on their website:

https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-75-kadet-adapter-ii-22-lr-adj-sights-10-rd-mags-will-fit-omega-system/

Hope this helps

[DenStinett]

Welcome to the Forum Milanski
Since this is a brand new KADET Kit, it could be a simple as; your new KADET just need a good initial cleaning
The Chamber, or the Firing Pin Tunnel could be full crud, right from the Factory
Both of these issues would cause the Round to either; not seat fully into the Chamber, or getting a good solid (initial) Pin Strike
The first Strike seats the Round, the second one firers it
Also, the .22lr Round itself, is the filthiest Ammo around
Some Brands are worse than others
Say you're using Winchester 555 .... Winchester (specially Winchester Bulk) are by far, the dirtiest of them all

[Milanski]

Thank you all for your feedback. It sounds like I should be trying different things. Since last night I have taken down apart everything including the firing pin. Everything was clean and it seemed to have been working just fine. Just for the reference I had tried CCI minimags, Federal, CCI standard velocity, and Winchester rounds and it did the same thing for all of them. Surprisingly the Winchester 555 had the least of them malfunction. Going back to taking it apart, I haven't seen any track marks anywhere to show that something was preventing it from firing. I went through 20 rounds off snap caps and all of them had tracks from the firing pin. I'm only concerned that somehow after the initial racking it doesn't blow back with enough Force come back into battery completely. I will however call CZ and see if they can send me a different slide stop however the kit came with two different ones one of which was almost identical as the one I have with my original 9 mm one with slight length extension to be able to catch onto the magazine. I'll try that before sending it in and maybe changing the decocker to safety as well as breaking it in a little bit more, cuz I really don't want to waste time on shipping back and forth if it's something as simple as that.

Any additional suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[DenStinett]

I will however call CZ and see if they can send me a different slide stop however the kit came with two different ones one of which was almost identical as the one I have with my original 9 mm one with slight length extension to be able to catch onto the magazine. I'll try that before sending it in and maybe changing the decocker to safety as well as breaking it in a little bit more, cuz I really don't want to waste time on shipping back and forth if it's something as simple as that.

Any additional suggestions are greatly appreciated.

True
If the Bolt is dragging on the Slide Stop, that could do just as you have described
Also, there is a spot on the Bolt that the Safety rises against
If that isn't correct, then (usually) the Safety will not engage, I guess it could drag there too
"C" on page 25 of the Manual

[Milanski]

So I was playing with it last night and comparing how the original 9mm sits as oppose to the kadet. It looks like the slide stop does not make contact and is just fine. However the ejector seams to be touching on the slide completely as oppose to having clearance on the 9mm slide. This is the only part of the gun that appears to be sitting wrong compared to the 9mm slide.i also cleaned and lubed it so I'll take it to the range tomorrow and see what happens. Might need to send it in after all.

[Milanski]

I think I found it. I was looking at a thread last night where they were playing with the hammer so I went to check it out. Sure enough mine was hitting the frame first (the frame the barrel is mounted on not the slide) before hitting the firing pin. Somehow the whole thing is 0.5 mm to the left and then it centers when it hits. At first I thought I might have filed it too much but after checking it out it looks pretty snug so I'm not sure if this is a factory issue. Upload photos as soon as I figure out how

[Milanski]

https://i.imgur.com/fCuzH4g.jpg
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https://i.imgur.com/fCuzH4g.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6TQSj3u.jpg

[DenStinett]

Guess my question is, how does your Hammer fit on the P01 Slide ?
Is it just me, or does the KADET Slide Frame looked tweaked to the left a bit compared to the bolt ?

[75Plus]

It appears to me that the hammer pivot pin is working its way out of the hammer. It should be considerably further to the right and more importantly there should be a keeper pin that holds the hammer pin in. That pin is held in by the sear cage and is almost vertically oriented.


Joe

[Tok36]

It appears to me that the hammer pivot pin is working its way out of the hammer. It should be considerably further to the right and more importantly there should be a keeper pin that holds the hammer pin in. That pin is held in by the sear cage and can almost vertically oriented.


Joe

   The same thing crossed my mind. The 75 Omega seems to be different in the way that the Hammer Pin is retained. I am not sure how it is done in the 75 Omega model, but it dose not look like it has a (#19) Hammer Pin Retaining Pin like the CZ 75 variant classic trigger system.

[75Plus]

After digging up a few pictures of the P-01 Omega I can see that they don’t use the keeper pin as most of the other CZ 75B pistols do. Dis regard my earlier post.

Thank you, Tok36, for pointing out my error.

Joe