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www.cz-usa.com/news_events.php (http://www.cz-usa.com/news_events.php)
Neat, high priced for those of us used to WASR prices, what do YOU think? It is supposed to be quite a good rifle, anyone going to get one? Waaaaay out of my price range.
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Here are a couple of mine. They are not the ones you have found though. They are both the original issue ones. One is altered to be semi auto only the other remains selective fire (full auto).
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/dancz/VZ58s-7.jpg)
You wont go wrong with these.
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I am interested in a carbine with a good caliber and these have popped up on the CZ site. I would definitly have to handle and check them out very carefully before buying one but they do look interesting.
May be one in my future if the selling price is right.
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Can the vz59 use AK magazines?
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No. Magazine specific, $40 each from CZ USA. There is apparently a website that offers 4 mags and a pouch for $40, have to look into that.
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Does anyone know who is selling these in the US? None of the distributors listed at Cz-USAs website know what I'm talking about when I call and ask.
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Any more news on the CZ vz. 58? Are they even available in the US? It would be the perfect excuse for me to purchase another 7.62x39mm. I have not been able to find anything at all--excepting those in Canada.
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I definitely WANT one, but they will probably be the price of a Bulgarian and Romanian AK combined. MSRP suggests a selling price around $800.00 US. It will probably be higher if the US $ doesn't rebound. I recently sold my Romanian SAR-1 with the intention of buying a milled receiver Bulgarian. Instead, I am thinking of a vz 58. That's getting into M-14 priced territory, though.
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I agree the cost seems a little steep. The example of being able to get a milled Bulgarian AK along with a stamped Romanian AK is exactly right if MSRP is in the $800.00-$1000.00 US range. The Yugoslavian AKs and the Russian SAIGAS are always attractive, too. But, CZ has definitely caught my attention and I hope it happens. Plus, from what I have seen, the parts and accessories market appears to be fairly strong. I am thinking a folding stock would be really nice. After that, I just need a boxcar full of ammo!
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I would get one if it was not for the price. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mind paying a bit more for a solid rifle. I just bought a Century Golani Galil build for $900 and High Standard-InterArms Wz.88 Tantal for $600. The problem is I already have a solid system for the 7.62x39 round in my AMD-65 (a real one with the 12" barrel not the long barreled lookalikes bing sold now.) Can't justify paying that much for the system and I need to know if CZ will be providing support in the form of parts. The other problem are the proprietary magazines, regular AK mags won't work. Also the pistol grip on this one just looks wrong to me, a slight turn off. Need to think this over a bit.
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I finally ordered a 58. Maybe by the end of February it will be here. But, I still don't have a boxcar full of ammo. That might be more difficult.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
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I finally ordered a 58. Maybe by the end of February it will be here. But, I still don't have a boxcar full of ammo. That might be more difficult.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
JJ, from whom did you order? I am having trouble finding a retailer. If I find a deserted boxcar full of 7.62x39, I will split it with you, so long as you provide the front-end loader. (http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif)
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FEG:
I ordered through Second Amendment Sports here in Tucson, AZ.
http://www.2ndamendmentsports.com/
Anyhow, I did ask (more than once) to make sure it was through CZ-USA and they swear up and down that it is. I have to admit I find it weird that I can find next to nothing on the interwebs about anyone having any for sale in the United States. Back in December I asked at the store about the CZs just out of curiosity--I actually didn't expect them to know any more than I did. At any rate, they say it is through CZ-USA with the full CZ-USA warranty. We'll see what happens. I'm excited.
On the deserted boxcar: Sounds like a deal. Half a boxcar works for me. BTW, keep your eyes open for deserted boxcars of 9mm, .45ACP, and 7.62 x 54mm--just in case.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif)
Cheers!
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I finally have a more definitive answer for the question that titles this thread:
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/fenderwreck/vz58.jpg)
I wasn't expecting it to arrive until after next week (at the earliest). Anyhow, it arrived very clean and the fit and finish is very nice. I was quite impressed when I opened the box. Most surprising to me is that it is lighter than my stamped receiver AK-47. I know the 58 is supposed to be lighter than milled receiver AKs (as a matter of fact it feels much lighter), but I still expected it to be heavier than my Romanian AK-47.
So far all I've done is give it a quick cleaning and oiling. Sunday should be a good day!(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif)
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Sweet! I only went into SAS down there on Pima once, but it seemed like a nice place.
I would love to get my hands on a vZ58 sometime...post more pics, and range pics, if you can.
PS, shoot cheap, go to Tucson Mountain Park range.
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I usually do my purchasing online, but I was quite pleased with SAS. I mean, my rifle arrived weeks before I even expected it to. How often does that happen? Chances are when I make my next purchase, I'll check in with them first.
The rifle itself is fantastic and I am still impressed. Plus, I still can't get over the weight difference between my stamped AK and the vz58. I have a folding stock on the way that should arrive this week I'll give it a try and see if I prefer the full fixed stock or not.
Whatever the case, I certainly recommend that anyone considering an AK take a look at the vz58--the 58 is at least equal to any AK on the market. It doesn't disappoint.
I'll post more pics when I get the folding stock.
PS ArmoredMan: I have been out to TMP, but I usually shoot at the southeast range near the fairgrounds. TMP does have a spectacular view, though!
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I should have mine by the end of the month. (It is on layaway.) Has anyone found a source for magazines other than CZ-USA?
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Yes, http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=462 (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=462) But I cannot guarantee anything from them like I could from CZ-USA.
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Thanks, armoredman. They were able to sell me a folding stock parts kit and eight (8) magazines for $209.57 shipped. That would only cover about five (5) magazines from CZ-USA. I may end up selling the folder, since I really just wanted the small parts. Here's another link for all of the vz-58 products: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=339
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Centerfire is the only regular source I have seen for surplus mags. That is where I got my folding stock kit as well. I have seen other sources, but as it turns out they seem to be "hit and miss."
BTW, FEG, I don't think you will be at all disappointed. I can't wait to hear your impressions. I am finally getting used to the action locking open after emptying the magazine!
I agreed to more pictures and I will. I had the camera at the range last weekend but I was busy shooting!
Cheers!
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Well, the stuff came from Centerfire yesterday, and I was pretty happy. The lower handguard and pistol grip were made of real wood, not bakelite. The folder was unissued and looked new. All but one of the magazines were "like new." The barrel is the actual military issue (shorter, threaded, and bayonet slot). I'm going to have nearly $1,000.00 in the rifle when I'm done, but I'll have ten magazines, an extra folding stock, and a complete replacement parts kit. Not too bad, I suppose.
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BTW, FEG, I don't think you will be at all disappointed. I can't wait to hear your impressions. I am finally getting used to the action locking open after emptying the magazine!
Well, today is the day. I won't be able to shoot her until the weekend, though. I ended up paying $837.39 OTD. (The guvmint do take a bite, don't she?) I am pretty stoked. Based on handling the Tactical model, I would have to say it really is worth about 2 WASRs. Now if it only shoots twice as well... (http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif)
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Someday! That may be coming closer, the faster this state figures out the budget crisis!
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OK. Finally, here are the pictures. I never remember to take photos at the range--I am usually a bit busy!(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif)
Anyhow, I am finding it to be much more accurate than my WASR, FEG.
The folding stock is great. I was afraid it would affect accuracy but I haven't noticed anything yet. It makes lugging a Mosin-Nagant, a PSL, a bag of pistols, and ammo much easier since I can carry the VZ in a short soft case. The stock itself was used milsurp and it isn't perfect, but I like it. I think that eventually, down-the-road, in the future, someday I'd like to add a holosight. So, I'll add that to the list of all the things I want.
I will try to take some time out and get some range pictures.
BTW: I still have not seen another one at the range I use.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/fenderwreck/Folded.jpg)(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/fenderwreck/Unfolded.jpg)
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Very nice! If you need any tips on 922(r) compliance, I think I have found all of the U.S. manufacturers.
Ohio Rapid Fire is making a 100% finished receiver that will be much cheaper than the OOW and Prexis offerings. Unfortunately, they have a bad rep for their Galil receivers. If they actually check out, you should be able to build one for less $500. I am thinking of getting another folder parts kit and building one up.
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Very nice! If you need any tips on 922(r) compliance, I think I have found all of the U.S. manufacturers.
Ohio Rapid Fire is making a 100% finished receiver that will be much cheaper than the OOW and Prexis offerings. Unfortunately, they have a bad rep for their Galil receivers. If they actually check out, you should be able to build one for less $500. I am thinking of getting another folder parts kit and building one up.
I like the list. Nice detective work, FEG.
Please keep us (me in particular(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)) informed on what you hear about the Ohio Rapid Fire Receiver. I wouldn't mind having another vz.58 and I am intrigued by the thought of building one.
But, who is supplying the polymer handguards? Your list indicates those are imported--are they Czech or might they be Canadian?
The reason I ask is that if I were to build one, I'd want to build one with polymer handguards, pistol grip, and a folding stock. Then, I would mount the pressboard stock back on the 58 I have now. But I digress.
Anything more you learn on the receivers would be appreciated, FEG. I am very seriously mulling this over.
Thanks, FEG.
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Actually, polymer handguards are available from Czech and Canadian suppliers. (I assume the Canadian companies are selling Canadian made versions, but one of the websites makes it sound like their product is from the Slovak Republic.)
These firms sell polymer furniture in Canada. Wolverine Supplies wrote me back with a list of everything they can ship to the U.S., but I accidentally deleted it. Basically, stocks are O.K., magazines and actual gun parts, not so much. Some of the handguards sold in Canada include picatinny rails.
INFRATEK TACTICAL
http://www.vz58.net/
WOLVERINE SUPPLIES
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/default.asp/
The company that assembles the rifles for CZ-USA is selling parts and accessories through Tennessee Guns International. They have the black Czech-made handguards seen on the Tactical version. The set runs about $35, but you do get the complete upper handguard assembly (cover, pin, etc.).
TENNESSEE GUNS
http://www.tnguns.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=42&sort=20a&page=4
To my mind, you have singled out the most attractive 922(r) package that will also let you use unmodified military mags. A U.S. made black pistol grip with the Czech black plastic guards and folder, but built on a U.S. receiver, has the necessary parts count. If you switched around like you mentioned, it would still come in well under $600 on a ORF build.
For anyone else interested, I should clarify. Our CZ-USA rifles use receivers made in Moravia and a U.S. made fire control group that is superior to the OOW parts (usual source for builders). They are the best receivers, at least on paper. Unfortunately, you cannot buy a separate Technik receiver. I think the CZ-USA rifles are well worth the money, especially since you can't build one just like it. However, it is easier to have the features you want on a vz-58 and comply with the BATF regs if you build one on a U.S. made receiver.
The OOW receiver is much more money, but probably the best of the U.S. ones. The Prexis receiver is pretty reasonable, but it is difficult to build, according to some. There is a fellow on gunco.net that is doing a build tutorial with pictures for the ORF receiver. I'll try to find it and link back to it here.
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Thanks for the info, FEG! You are a treasure trove of information. I was not aware that receivers were being made here at all!
I have been looking at the Canadian suppliers for a while--it kept me occupied while I was waiting for my rifle to arrive!(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
There is some really cool stuff up there for these rifles. I like the look of the Czech-made handguards best--and I did not know Tennessee Guns was selling them-- but, I am thinking an optical sight of some kind would be good for this rifle. Also, different handguards might cool better. Decisions, decisions.
Anyhow, I'll probably go ahead and order a tactical set from Tennessee Guns just so I have them--to go with the parts kit I already have. Then I'll have to decide on which black poly pistol grip to get. Then I'll see what more I can learn about the receivers out there. If I decide I want different handguards in the future, then I'll deal with it then. But the way things are settling, I am well on my way towards a second vz.58!(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif) (Yeah, that's 2 smilies there.)
As you mentioned, the receiver on the CZ is quite nice. I imagine it will be tough to match for quality--but something will turn up. If you find the tutorial on the ORF I'd be very interested.
Many Thanks!!!
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The Czech black polymer handguards do look the best of the aftermarket offerings. I suspect that they get hotter than some of the others, though. If changing the lower handguard wasn't such an undertaking, I would try the wood set from my folder parts kit to compare. (My kit came with wooden guards and pistol grip, but the grain match isn't perfect.)
I'm like you. Having one just makes me want to have another as a "beater," so I can "baby" the other.
I'll post that link here:
http://www.autochart.com/vz58.htm (http://www.autochart.com/vz58.htm)
This is actually from ORF, not the builder. I guess I misunderstood the original poster at Gunco.net.
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Thanks again, FEG.
I'll definitely watch that as soon as I can.
Yes.... having the second 58 to to shoot while babying the CZ 58 is pretty much exactly what I am thinking. I figure I have the kit so I might as well.
I ordered the poly handguard stocks over the weekend, so hopefully I'll get them this week (?). A piece here and a piece there and eventually have another entire rifle.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
Cheers!
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I really like that folding stock, mine are only the standard stock versions. I've been wanting a folder for years now. Hope you enjoy yours as much as do my full stock ones. The folders are rare here in NZ.
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/dancz/VZ58s-7.jpg)
I also quite like the following so you might want to keep a look out for them as well. These are also a little hard to come by in NZ and then there are all our restrictions to abide by.
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/dancz/CZ61Scorpion-7_65-b.jpg)
CZ 61 (Scorpion)
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/dancz/ZK383-9mm-b.jpg)
ZK383 - 9mm
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/dancz/CZ23-9mm-a.jpg)
CZ23 - 9mm
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q114/dancz/CZ24-7_65-a.jpg)
CZ24 - 7.65
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Are your vZ58s select fire out there in NZ? I actually knew a guy working for Loomis Armored who emigrated from NZ to AZ for our gun laws. That was back in...2001 or so.
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One of the 58's is selective and one is semi auto only. All the others shown above are selective fire.
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Very nice collection, Dan.
The folding stocks are available here and they seem plentiful on the Internets. My full stock will go back on my CZ vz.58 and I will have the folding stock on the 58 I am collecting parts to build (it will have poly handguards and a poly pistol grip, as well). But, there is nothing wrong with the full stock at all.
The Skorpions are available here, but they are sold as pistols without the wire stock. I just haven't seen any yet with the wire folding stock. If I could get one with a wire stock in semi-auto I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat. Plus, I really like the look of the newer Skorpions in 9mm para. I'd love to get some trigger time with one of those (in full auto(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif)). But, I am not too keen on it as a "pure" pistol--it just doesn't seem right without the wire stock. Yours is pretty cool.
Question: The ZK383 is also 9mm para? That's really sweet, too.
Cheers!
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Dan has so many groovy CZs that I just assumed he was from the Czech Republic! Didn't know you were a Kiwi, Dan. It's a really impressive collection.
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"American Rifleman" did a write-up in this month's issue, they have listed a MSRP of $970.
Considering the Arsenal AK's go for $700 or so, and pre-89 AK's both Eastern European and Chinese can go for 1200-1500 depending, I really don't thinks that's too much.
FEG - sounds like you got a good price on yours.
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"American Rifleman" did a write-up in this month's issue, they have listed a MSRP of $970.
Considering the Arsenal AK's go for $700 or so, and pre-89 AK's both Eastern European and Chinese can go for 1200-1500 depending, I really don't thinks that's too much.
FEG - sounds like you got a good price on yours.
Whittaker's Guns, Kentucky (if I didn't mention).
I hate to resort to hyperbole, but the vz-58 really is about ten times the rifle, compared to an average AK.
What was funny to me about the American Rifleman review was their ammunition selection. They used brass-cased Remington and Federal 123-124 gr ammuniton, which did not perform that well. Their best groups came with the Wolf 154 gr SP load, but their average groups were still considerably larger than my vz-58 will shoot with steel-cased Barnaul and S&B 124 gr ammunition. The rifle tested had the military stock, which could make a difference, I suppose. The reviewer also commented on the recoil, which I found strange. The Tactial Sporter version has no felt recoil at all, at least to me. Again, this seems to be a function of the stock design (not to mention the fact that the Tactical version has a recoil pad).
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By this time I was hoping to have more to post--but here is what I have.
My parts from Lichtenberg Research arrived. I found them really easy to deal with and I got what I ordered really quickly.
Here is the barrel extension.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/fenderwreck/vzBE01.jpg)
And here is the polymer pistol grip.
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/fenderwreck/vzGrip01.jpg)
Both items are fairly self-explanatory. But, keep in mind that these are U.S. made parts! Gotta stay in compliance.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
I had (or have) polymer hand guards on order through Tennessee Guns, but after a month of calling and waiting it is clear that they actually aren't "on the way this week." Getting my $$$ back ought to be interesting. I'll leave it at that, but I have to find another source for poly hand guards. That is my next project in getting the vz.58 kit ready.
Cheers!
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Sorry to hear that, particularly since I just ordered some floor plates....
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FEG,
I suspect they are just having trouble with my order. I would imagine everything else is probably fine. These things happen and I'd like to think it isn't SOP for them. If for some reason you end up not getting your plates, Lichtenberg Research is doing floor plates, too. Eventually, that's where I'll be getting mine from.
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UPDATES:
TGI has yet to deliver my floorplates. It has been over a week. I will keep you all posted.
It appears that the Ohio Rapid Fire receivers (NOT the Ohio Ordnance Works receivers) may be junk. Czech out this thread and its related links:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38170 (http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38170)
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Hmmm--
some good points made by Nick F. - why buy stuff you know to be junk?
Also, nothing against Ohio Ordnance Works, but their VZ58 is $300 MORE than the LIST price of the CZ-USA VZ58???
I have my local FFL getting a price on the CZ-USA VZ58....gotta "stimulate the economy"...and I 'm sure the Gov't would be pleased if I spend my tax rebate check on an evil "assault rifle"(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif)
Now, to see if I can clear it with the Chief Financial Officer of the Quikdraw Clan(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif)
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UPDATES:
TGI has yet to deliver my floorplates. It has been over a week. I will keep you all posted.
It appears that the Ohio Rapid Fire receivers (NOT the Ohio Ordnance Works receivers) may be junk. Czech out this thread and its related links:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38170 (http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38170)
Hello fellow vz.58 fans,
I was planning on making this post on exactly both of those topics.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
I got a message from TGI this morning that they are sending my parts out immediately. I sent them a "not-so-nice" e-mail last night and apparently I hit a nerve. But, now I have to wait until later next week--unfortunately, I have to play it straight and see if they are telling me the truth and see if my parts arrive (yet again). But, I would rather just refund and look elsewhere. I'm tired of dealing with them. I'll post if they materialize on my doorstep, but I am doubtful. 'Nuff said.
On Ohio Rapid Fire receivers..... FEG, we have been reading the same information and what I saw was more than enough to make me decide to stay away ORF's vz.58 receivers. There are other discussions somewhere on the same board (The AK Files) about the ORF Galil receivers that are downright frightening. Anyhow, I have drawn the same conclusions on the ORF product.
I am still searching for a 58 receiver and if I find anything I'll be sure to post. Right now, the manufacturer websites I have been looking at on that topic aren't very informative. FEG (or anyone else!), if you bump into anyone that wants to do a "group buy" type of thing let me know. It might save a few dollars. The only receivers I have seen so far are those by ORF and those by Ohio Ordnance Works.
Whatever happens, I have seen enough to tell me the 58 build is NOT for beginners like me, so assuming I can find a receiver I'll have to have mine built for me. That is kind of a bummer because I was looking forward to building.
Cheers.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
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Hmmm--
some good points made by Nick F. - why buy stuff you know to be junk?
Also, nothing against Ohio Ordnance Works, but their VZ58 is $300 MORE than the LIST price of the CZ-USA VZ58???
I have my local FFL getting a price on the CZ-USA VZ58....gotta "stimulate the economy"...and I 'm sure the Gov't would be pleased if I spend my tax rebate check on an evil "assault rifle"(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif)
Now, to see if I can clear it with the Chief Financial Officer of the Quikdraw Clan(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif)
Quikdraw,
I am not sure how useful this is, but I say you are cleared to get one. That probably doesn't help much, but I figure it is worth a shot.
I am quite happy with my CZ-USA vz.58 and I think you are making a good choice.
Let us know when you get it!
I don't want to drift too far off topic, but the Galil receiver thread is mind-boggling. There is quite a bit of name-calling, slander, and mudslinging, but the basic information (when you can get to it) is convincing.
Cheers.
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Hmmm--
some good points made by Nick F. - why buy stuff you know to be junk?
Also, nothing against Ohio Ordnance Works, but their VZ58 is $300 MORE than the LIST price of the CZ-USA VZ58???
I have my local FFL getting a price on the CZ-USA VZ58....gotta "stimulate the economy"...and I 'm sure the Gov't would be pleased if I spend my tax rebate check on an evil "assault rifle"(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif)
Now, to see if I can clear it with the Chief Financial Officer of the Quikdraw Clan(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif)
Quikdraw,
I am not sure how useful this is, but I say you are cleared to get one. That probably doesn't help much, but I figure it is worth a shot.
I am quite happy with my CZ-USA vz.58 and I think you are making a good choice.
Let us know when you get it!
I don't want to drift too far off topic, but the Galil receiver thread is mind-boggling. There is quite a bit of name-calling, slander, and mudslinging, but the basic information (when you can get to it) is convincing.
Cheers.
If you're into the whole "train wreck" type of thing, I would check out some of those Galil threads. They represent perhaps the most epic gun flame war ever allowed to continue (threads still unlocked, last time I checked).
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JJB70 -
I will have one coming through the good services of fellow czforum.com member manofsteel69.
You can see pics of the rifle here
http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com?topic=17319?page=3 (http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com?topic=17319?page=3)
As you can see, the price is great.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smokin.gif)
I'll post a range report later(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif)
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JJB70 -
I will have one coming through the good services of fellow czforum.com member manofsteel69.
You can see pics of the rifle here
http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com?topic=17319?page=3 (http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com?topic=17319?page=3)
As you can see, the price is great.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smokin.gif)
I'll post a range report later(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif)
ONE OF US! ONE OF US! NOW YOU' RE ONE OF US!!! (http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif)
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JJB70 -
I will have one coming through the good services of fellow czforum.com member manofsteel69.
Fantastic, quikdraw.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif) I am looking forward to see what you have to say.
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By the way, still no floorplates from TGI. I had to pull a real low-class move to get them to even send me an email saying they were shipping (after eight days, not including the holiday). Yep, I played the "CZ Forum" card!
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By the way, still no floorplates from TGI. I had to pull a real low-class move to get them to even send me an email saying they were shipping (after eight days, not including the holiday). Yep, I played the "CZ Forum" card!
I was just going to ask you about that, FEG. I had a feeling. My parts are supposed to arrive tomorrow. We'll see what happens when I open the box. I really don't know what to think about all of this. I was told three consecutive weeks in a row that my parts were shipping--this time they provided me with a tracking number and I know they are sending something my way. Did they send you the tracking number? I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I have been dealing with this similar problem since the end of April.
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By the way, still no floorplates from TGI. I had to pull a real low-class move to get them to even send me an email saying they were shipping (after eight days, not including the holiday). Yep, I played the "CZ Forum" card!
I was just going to ask you about that, FEG. I had a feeling. My parts are supposed to arrive tomorrow. We'll see what happens when I open the box. I really don't know what to think about all of this. I was told three consecutive weeks in a row that my parts were shipping--this time they provided me with a tracking number and I know they are sending something my way. Did they send you the tracking number? I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I have been dealing with this similar problem since the end of April.
OUCH! No tracking number, yet. This really bites, because they are the only source of the magazine compliance parts. Lichtenberger told me not to hold my breath for floorplates any time soon. (Not their actual words, of course.) I hate to be a jerk, but let me know what happens. If I have to threaten them with CZF, I'll do it. I don't like to do stuff like that for a lot of reasons, but this is getting past ridiculous.
EDIT: Just so no one thinks we are being petty, let me put this in perspective. I have never had to wait this long for gun parts from any internet retailer, period.
EDITING THE EDIT: For that matter, I have had people fabricate parts on demand and ship them faster than TGI.
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Tomorrow I'll definitely be posting the contents of the box that arrives. How's that for suspense?(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif)
That's bizarre on Lichtenberg told me about the magazine parts--now I am confused.
As far as waiting, I've never had to wait this long for anything over the internet. What I ordered from them were not special order parts, so I would think 2 weeks tops for delivery (after they have collected my $$$). If they hadn't collected my payment, I wouldn't be irritated at all. Furthermore, it is not good to tell someone their goods are on the way when they aren't. Just two more of my cents on that.
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Tomorrow I'll definitely be posting the contents of the box that arrives. How's that for suspense?(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif)
That's bizarre on Lichtenberg told me about the magazine parts--now I am confused.
As far as waiting, I've never had to wait this long for anything over the internet. What I ordered from them were not special order parts, so I would think 2 weeks tops for delivery (after they have collected my $$$). If they hadn't collected my payment, I wouldn't be irritated at all. Furthermore, it is not good to tell someone their goods are on the way when they aren't. Just two more of my cents on that.
I agree 100%. The aggravation is in the details.
1) I spent more time setting up my TGI account than I did my MidwayUSA.com account.
2) TGI never indicated that they did not warehouse their own product until I complained (after eight days).
3) I received no response from them until I informed them that I was affiliated with CZF, and other CZF members had problems with their company as well.
On Lichtenberg, I corresponded with them by email over a month ago. If they have changed their minds, this is fantastic.
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Here it is, I finally found the link.
http://www.lichtenbergresearch.com/parts/vz58magfloorplate/vz58magfloorplate.html
When I ordered my barrel extension and pistol grip from them they said it really was going to happen. As soon as I get this TGI mess settled, I'll be contacting them again.
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They finally arrived. It took a long time, but TGI finally delivered my poly handguards.
Upper
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/fenderwreck/DSC01484.jpg)
Lower
(http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii224/fenderwreck/DSC01483.jpg)
Next step.... Rest.
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My floorplates arrived on Friday. Hmmm....
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They finally arrived. It took a long time, but TGI finally delivered my poly handguards.
They look exactly like the ones that came on the "Tactical" version (as they should). How do they fit?
On the positive tip, everything came before I made an ass of myself.
All nine of the floorplates fit as they should. It occurred to me that I now have an "extra" follower for compliance purposes. (Not for sale! (http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif) )
TGI turned out to be pretty cool once they confessed to their "middleman" situation.
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Yes, they do look much like the handguards on the Tactical and I suspect that they are.
As far as fit, I did try fitting the upper guard on my CZ vz and the fit is perfect. I would expect that they would fit perfectly on that receiver. What will matter most is how they fit on the future (distant future???) kit receiver.
I am glad your mag plates arrived before you had to write a nasty letter. I wasn't too pleased about having to send a "not-so-pleasant" e-mail, but I was close to sending an over-the-top angry e-mail. Fortunately, I didn't have to resort to that. Funny thing the "middleman" situation. They never suggested anything like that to me, but kept telling me "We'll send them next week." After hearing that three weeks in a row over the phone (with an ignored e-mail in there as well) I was a bit torqued and nearly sent an angry e-mail, but I backed off and just sent an unpleasant one. It appears that it worked so I am glad I didn't have to resort to a mean and nasty e-mail.
The "middleman" situation would explain a lot, but they told me that my order kept "slipping through the cracks." At any rate, they are exactly what I wanted and I am glad TGI came through. Now I can move on and find something new to get really irritated about!(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
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Yes, they do look much like the handguards on the Tactical and I suspect that they are.
As far as fit, I did try fitting the upper guard on my CZ vz and the fit is perfect. I would expect that they would fit perfectly on that receiver. What will matter most is how they fit on the future (distant future???) kit receiver.
I am glad your mag plates arrived before you had to write a nasty letter. I wasn't too pleased about having to send a "not-so-pleasant" e-mail, but I was close to sending an over-the-top angry e-mail. Fortunately, I didn't have to resort to that. Funny thing the "middleman" situation. They never suggested anything like that to me, but kept telling me "We'll send them next week." After hearing that three weeks in a row over the phone (with an ignored e-mail in there as well) I was a bit torqued and nearly sent an angry e-mail, but I backed off and just sent an unpleasant one. It appears that it worked so I am glad I didn't have to resort to a mean and nasty e-mail.
The "middleman" situation would explain a lot, but they told me that my order kept "slipping through the cracks." At any rate, they are exactly what I wanted and I am glad TGI came through. Now I can move on and find something new to get really irritated about!(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif)
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The important thing is that vz-58 owners can actually get their compliance parts from TGI. I was beginning to worry a bit.
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I ordered me 2 of these fine rifles last week one a fixed stock and the other a folder.
I cannot wait till it gets here.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif) I will be sure to post pics and a range report.
Nice forum you guys have here very informative.
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I ordered me 2 of these fine rifles last week one a fixed stock and the other a folder.
I cannot wait till it gets here.(http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif) I will be sure to post pics and a range report.
Nice forum you guys have here very informative.
Are both rifles CZ-USA builds? Just curious. It sounds like you may be buying from Atlantic. The Atlantic rifles use the Czech receiver, but they may have a different compliance parts package. That is, I'm not sure if the Atlantic builds use magazine parts for compliance.
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I assume both rifles are CZ built. I bought both off of gunbroker as my dealers around here wanted 900+ for one. the pics on the auction seemed like they were both CZ boxes. Now I'm worried a little. I guess I will find out later this week. (crosses fingers)
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I just confirmed that both rifles are CZ built. Thank God.
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I just confirmed that both rifles are CZ built. Thank God.
Sorry for the scare. I didn't know CZ-USA was selling folding stock versions. (That made me think of Atlantic Arms.)
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Just purchased a VZ58 from a private party, NIB, in the grease.
First look upon opening the box, "this thing's smaller than my Ruger 10/22"!
So clean up gun and familiarize.
It is shorter than the 10/22.
Unloaded, the 10/22 weighs 2.4 kilos.
Unloaded, the VZ 58 weighs 3.13 kilos.
My 10/22 is actually a .22 magnum.
The VZ 58 is a .308.
And I'm thinking I just shelled out 800 bucks............
Eeeesh.
So I took it out behind the house to
See just wottinhell I got.
Wow.
Freaking tackdriver.
Minimum recoil.
I ran the first two clips freehand at a 6" x 8" cardboard box at 40 yards
(which held some of the mysterious woman things my wife orders in,
and which arrive UPS)
And bleeped if 51 out of 60 shots hit the box, most within a 4" circumference.
Now my complaints.
The first two clips had a hard time feeding.
2 shots, 3 shots, 4 shots and the point of the round would be jammed against the feed ramp bevel.
The third and fourth clips fed just fine. And box #2 was just as perforated as box #1. So I dunno.
The feed ramp bevel seems kind of abrupt and squared off. But I don't know the weapon, yet.
Anyone have an educated guess about this?
Second bitch.
The stock is definitely to short for me and the drop is too shallow - I ended up kind of contorted with the
Heel of the stock way high on my shoulder.
So I need to figure out that geometry, and find something which works.
All in all,
Out of the box the gun is 90th percentile.
And the tuning of it will be just plain fun.
Salskov
And a postscript; my wife's opinion.
She likes to shoot what I have from a selfdefense viewpoint.
So, to call out a few:
Doesn't like my P01's - too hard on her wrists.
Shot the Dirty Harry wheelgun once - that was it.
The Winchester riot gun - will use it in extremis.
.22's, of course, are just fine.
So we go out back yesterday, and ran a clip through the VZ.
Results:
The carbine fits her like a glove (she's 5'7" and I'm 6'2").
She's got zero problem with the recoil (and this is a girl who, lo these many years ago had a boyfriend
Returned from 'Nam with M16 in possession, which they would shoot out in the desert). Her comment
"Way easier to handle than the M16."
Her only bitch was that the weapon was truly loud
And that she was gonna get a goood set of earplugs
Before practicing more.
And she did absolutely demolish yet another small cardboard box @ 40 yards.
Now - and I'll be as diplomatic as I can be here -
She's got a an extremely small 6 in front of her age.
And its already headed the direction that the VZ
Is "her" weapon.
So, I'll lay it on you;
In this family, Grandmother's
Weapon of choice is the VZ.
Life never ceases to astonish me..........
Salskov
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I am very, very much hoping to aquire a vZ58 in the nexct month or so!
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I'm looking to purchase a vz58 this month. The previous comment about the length of pull and drop on the stock has me a bit concerned, but then I'm only 5'8". Unfortunately no one in my area has one I can actually handle before buying. I should be OK in the fit department. Have more folks had problems with the factory mags feeding properly? I own an HK91 and the HK USC so the price of the CZ seems quite reasonable to me. Having handled and fired several AKs and M16s I wasn't all that impressed. The little vz just appeals to me for size, weight and CZs reputation for building a fine weapon. My other CZ rifles have been great so I have a good feeling about this one as well. Curious about the magazines though. ???
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I'm looking to purchase a vz58 this month. The previous comment about the length of pull and drop on the stock has me a bit concerned, but then I'm only 5'8".
The LOP on combloc weapons is a surprise / PITA to a lot of Americans. We are -on average- much larger than the intended users. We also don't wear heavy winter clothing while shooting (for the most part).
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Fit's me just fine, 5'11", average build.
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Just purchased a VZ58 from a private party, NIB, in the grease.
First look upon opening the box, "this thing's smaller than my Ruger 10/22"!
So clean up gun and familiarize.
It is shorter than the 10/22.
Unloaded, the 10/22 weighs 2.4 kilos.
Unloaded, the VZ 58 weighs 3.13 kilos.
My 10/22 is actually a .22 magnum.
The VZ 58 is a .308.
Really? .308 NATO?
So it comes in 7.62x39 or .308 NATO?
Does the VZ58 have a milled receiver?
If not, why such a price difference with other AKs?
Since it uses different mags than a standard AK, are other parts interchangable with other AKs?
Can you build up a VZ58 from a parts kit with a standard AK receiver?
OK
Answers to your questions.
The VZ 58 utilizes a 7.62 (.308) x 39 mm cartridge.
Which - you are correct - differs from the NATO 7.62 x 51 mm cartridge.
The VZ 58 has a milled receiver. The AK original and variants are all stamped.
Parts are not interchangeable; its a totally different carbine.
And, in my opinion, much better than the AK, in all aspects.
Salskov
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The VZ 58 is a .308.
Really? .308 NATO?
So it comes in 7.62x39 or .308 NATO?
As far as i have seen and searched: There Ain't NO 308.
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The VZ 58 is a .308.
Really? .308 NATO?
So it comes in 7.62x39 or .308 NATO?
As far as i have seen and searched: There Ain't NO 308.
Oh jeez -
Try to straighten this one out.
7.62 mm or .308 inches are the same bullet.
The cartridge, containing the powder and the primer, may differ.
The Czech 7.62 x 39 mm
Is a different beast from the NATO 7.62 x 51 mm.
The difference is in the cartridge, not the bullet.
Hope this helps..........
Salskov
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The VZ 58 is a .308.
Really? .308 NATO?
So it comes in 7.62x39 or .308 NATO?
As far as i have seen and searched: There Ain't NO 308.
Oh jeez -
Try to straighten this one out.
7.62 mm or .308 inches are the same bullet.
The cartridge, containing the powder and the primer, may differ.
The Czech 7.62 x 39 mm
Is a different beast from the NATO 7.62 x 51 mm.
The difference is in the cartridge, not the bullet.
Hope this helps..........
Salskov
Actually the 7.62x39 uses a .310" diameter bullet, as does the 7.62 Tok (7.62x25).
The 7.62x54R and 7.62x45 (Czech) uses a .311" diameter bullet.
The 7.62x51 Nato, 30 Carbine (7.62x33) and 30-06 (7.62x63) uses an actual .308" diameter bullet.
The 7.62x38R (Nagant pistol) uses a .295" bullet.
So you see, not all "7.62 mm" are the same bullet.
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In everyday gun, talk 308 refers to 7.62 x 51. 7.62 x 39 refers to 7.62x39. ;D
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I just purchased a new vz58 off of GunBroker.com today and should have it within a week. I'm looking forward to this little rifle. I also own an HK91 and HK USC so the CZ in 7.62x39 will be a nice change from .308 and .45ACP when taking a military style semi auto to the range for a day of shooting. This should be fun as well as less expensive than shooting my .308. I'll post pics once I have the rifle in hand and cleaned up.
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I'll post pics once I have the rifle in hand and cleaned up.
Looking forward to it, but don't get your heart set on "clean up". Mine arrived clean enough to eat off of. No excess oil, no grease, nothing.
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A clean weapon out of the box works for me. CZ is a quality manufacturer and it shows in the rifles I've purchased to date. ;D