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CZ LONG ARMS => CZ Scorpion EVO => Topic started by: 3xternal on March 11, 2022, 01:36:37 PM

Title: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: 3xternal on March 11, 2022, 01:36:37 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca-Qsi2uFKT/
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: polecat on March 12, 2022, 05:21:29 PM

Hope it is redesigned bullpup! Maybe like the old .32 scorpion machine pistols
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MSOGDAWG on March 13, 2022, 04:07:16 PM
This oughta be good....maybe not for the wallet :o
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MSOGDAWG on March 13, 2022, 04:22:49 PM
Agree on mag release, handguard and grip. Meh on the rest for me.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Hammer Time on March 13, 2022, 04:39:31 PM
I'll be curious to hear if there are any internal changes. Otherwise, pretty much a cosmetic revamp.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MSOGDAWG on March 13, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
Any reasons someone knows why they wont make a .45 variant?
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Hammer Time on March 13, 2022, 05:57:13 PM
Any reasons someone knows why they wont make a .45 variant?

Not a common Euro caliber?
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MSOGDAWG on March 13, 2022, 07:02:46 PM
Any reasons someone knows why they wont make a .45 variant?

Not a common Euro caliber?

Hmmmm, maybe?
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Hammer Time on March 13, 2022, 08:45:51 PM
Looks like they revamped the BHO lever as well.

It's down there at the front of the trigger guard where the old mag release was.

I can't say that I'm a fan of that at all.  Would give you one busy trigger finger to have to re-learn a new manual of arms.

Yeah, that would drive me nuts.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Northern on March 13, 2022, 10:19:53 PM
I like the new mag release/bolt release positions; matches another gun I have. Not a fan of the new design for the iron sights — lacks elegance!
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: PeteMe on March 13, 2022, 10:56:19 PM
What’s the point?
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: 3xternal on March 14, 2022, 08:57:58 AM
https://cz-usa.com/product/cz-scorpion-3-micro/

Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MSOGDAWG on March 14, 2022, 09:26:22 AM
Nah....not for me. But innovation and advances in the gun world are always great, even if it doesnt suit everyone.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MeatAxe on March 14, 2022, 10:47:04 PM
Looks like they revamped the BHO lever as well.

It's down there at the front of the trigger guard where the old mag release was.

I can't say that I'm a fan of that at all.  Would give you one busy trigger finger to have to re-learn a new manual of arms.

I'm glad that I have the old original version.

(https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/321106/3896FBED-13D7-4877-B113-996DECEE0906_jpe-2312343.JPG)


I like the looks and the grip angle of the new version better than the original. Hope the safety doesn’t dig into my knuckle when firing, like the original does. Hopefully the new version is as reliable and accurate as the original.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: armoredman on March 15, 2022, 01:00:37 AM
Now we know what the child of the Scorpion and the BREN 2 looks like, the pistol grip and mag well say that. :)
Is it brace adaptable, or SBR capable? It is certainly interesting, and I can see a select fire version becoming popular with various agencies. Looks like fun.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: plattner01 on March 15, 2022, 01:19:47 AM
and for those who ordered one guess what, it take's new style magazine, and looks like cz doesnt have them in stock yet, and those of us with magpul mags they wont fit!!
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MeatAxe on March 15, 2022, 01:42:40 AM
and for those who ordered one guess what, it take's new style magazine, and looks like cz doesnt have them in stock yet, and those of us with magpul mags they wont fit!!

Well, that would be stupid if the existing mags aren’t compatible with the new gun, since the current mags are almost universally compatible across many manufacturers and weapons platforms and they work well.

A lot of times these days, ya gotta wonder, WTF is CZ thinking.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: plattner01 on March 15, 2022, 06:01:38 AM
and for those who ordered one guess what, it take's new style magazine, and looks like cz doesnt have them in stock yet, and those of us with magpul mags they wont fit!!

Well, that would be stupid if the existing mags aren’t compatible with the new gun, since the current mags are almost universally compatible across many manufacturers and weapons platforms and they work well.
check out some of the youtube videos on the new version and you will see about the new lower and new mags
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: armoredman on March 15, 2022, 06:47:39 AM
The ad states that it is backwards compatible with the older mags.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Earl Keese on March 15, 2022, 07:09:49 AM
The ad states that it is backwards compatible with the older mags.
I believe it says the mags are backwards compatible.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MeatAxe on March 15, 2022, 10:04:03 AM
WTF does “backwards compatible” mean?

Do you stick it in the magwell backwards? If the old mags are compatible with the new Scorpion, why not just say “they are compatible”?

WTF, CZ???
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MSOGDAWG on March 15, 2022, 10:43:11 AM
Innovation and advances are great but it detracts from it when companies drop support for the previous models. Not saying CZ did that here but several other companies have. Guess they gotta make money somehow.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MeatAxe on March 15, 2022, 11:41:30 AM
Because the old mags DON'T work in the new gun.

The new gun uses an AR15'ish magazine catch and doesn't have a slot in them.

Therefore, all existing scorpion mags won't work in the new gun.  At least not unless you have a mill and are able to mag the mag catch slot in the mag body.

Said the new mags work in the old guns too, but the old mags won't work in the new.


Well that’s fricking stupid. Nobody who’s invested in the previous model Scorpion (or other compatible PCCs) and a pile of mags is going to want the new 3+ and have to invest in yet another pile of incompatible mags.

CZ seems to be working hard to find innovative new ways to gouge their customers.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: MSOGDAWG on March 16, 2022, 12:53:34 PM
I wont be in for one at this point. If I run into some throw away money, maybe, but unlikely.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: halfmoonclip on March 16, 2022, 11:36:59 PM
Not sure what the mag 'back compatible' means exactly; my reading was that the mags would work.  Time will tell.
Can't say I'm unhappy with the current gen, and there's a tax stamp for mine; lotta trouble changing it.
Moon
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: wingspar on March 17, 2022, 12:12:23 AM
Looks like they kept that knuckle bruising safety lever.  That’s unfortunate, but good for the aftermarket manufactures I guess.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Hammer Time on March 17, 2022, 09:29:18 AM
Looks like they kept that knuckle bruising safety lever.  That’s unfortunate, but good for the aftermarket manufactures I guess.

That's the inexcusable facepalm, as far as I'm concerned. That safety lever has been universally panned by just about everyone that has ever shot an Evo, and they finally get around to redesigning the gun, and they keep that the same?!
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: bravo5two on March 17, 2022, 10:21:44 PM
It is obvious the old magazines won't work in this version due to the mag catch.  Not a very smart move CZ!
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Northern on March 19, 2022, 12:04:19 AM
One of the YouTube reviewers who had a sample to review said that the placement of the safety is different so that it doesn’t interfere any more.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Hammer Time on March 19, 2022, 12:47:35 AM
One of the YouTube reviewers who had a sample to review said that the placement of the safety is different so that it doesn’t interfere any more.

Ok, that's good to hear.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: insp808 on March 19, 2022, 11:30:50 PM
So best I can tell:
1. Improved the safety / no more bruising
2. Made the handguard plastic / making it lighter
3. Made the grip better
4. AR-style mag releases / making the old mags incompatible
5. Sights redesigned for better cowitness

As a guy with two old scorpions and a bunch of old scorpion mags... literally the only thing here valuable to me is the better pistol grip. Which is fine but nothing terribly different than the yetiwurks I chose for my two older models. So yeah, definitely not interesting at all, especially at this price point of 1.3k. Just think of it this way... if you buy the older scorpion at 800 and then put in 500 into after market upgrades? It is WAY better what you end up with getting this thing for 1.3k.

1.3k into an S1 and you have good safeties, better trigger (CZC level even), good grips, better charging handle, good mag release, etc etc. Only if you care about AR-centric mag releases (and really, how many prioritize that?!?) or if you REALLY want to minimize weight is this something worth pursuing. Which I'm guessing CZ will find out is quite the minority.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: 3xternal on March 21, 2022, 10:49:10 AM
I work at a gun store and we are a heavy CZ dealer. A couple things to consider:
CZ has begun using a Minimum Advertised Pricing model, known as MAP. That means that online retailers cannot advertise a CZ product for less than MAP, dictated by CZ. Dealers who abuse MAP can lose their accounts with CZ. Obviously there is no way to police in-store pricing and, depending on the policy, there are ways to work around MAP (free goodies, pricing in cart, etc).

That said, Black EVO S1s MAP price is $1085 and colored versions are $1179.

Also, we have it on good authority that the S1 will be phased out in 2023.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Hammer Time on April 08, 2022, 12:51:07 PM
The Scorpion was a lot easier to justify when the price was around $750-$850, when basically it was half the price of a Sig MPX. Now that it is north of $1k MSRP, I just don't think it makes that much sense anymore. Spend a few hundred more and get the MPX and you are getting a much better, more refined, PDW.
Title: Re: New Scorpion Model Coming Monday?
Post by: Vuduarms on April 29, 2022, 02:43:03 PM
I prefer the original mag release. The new grip looks nicer.