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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: CZombie on June 05, 2024, 10:00:04 PM
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Hello,
Do you recommend grease or oil for a CZ 75 D PCR slide?
Applied sparingly or generously?
Thanks
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Hello,
Do you recommend grease or oil for a CZ 75 D PCR slide?
Applied sparingly or generously?
Thanks
I use Slip 2000 gun grease, fairly generously on the rails with a light coating over the EXTERIOR of the entire barrel (not inside the bore) and the bottom of the slide. Will put a small amount anywhere there would be any friction / movement internally. I’ll use a thin coating of light (Slip 2000) gun oil in the bore itself.
Unlike oil, grease stays where you put it and won’t migrate out of the gun by gravity. Slip 2000 is supposedly engineered for machine guns and to repel powder fouling. I’ve never had any issues at all with it. Doesn’t seem to “gum up” at all when inundated with powder fouling.
https://slip2000.com/products/ewg
I would NEVER use “Frog Lube” - that garbage is essentially nothing but coconut oil with wint-o-green flavoring and green food coloring, applied with a hot hair dryer that will go rancid and turn into thick brown sludge that will totally gum up your gun. Apparently, you can eat it, though, not that you’d want to.
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I oil the rails on mine with the same oil I use on the rest of the gun. Never had a problem and never had any adverse wear. My oldest PCR has 35,000 rounds through it now.
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I oil the rails on mine with the same oil I use on the rest of the gun. Never had a problem and never had any adverse wear. My oldest PCR has 35,000 rounds through it now.
Same here. Oil has worked on mine from the first 1911 in 1979 through all the other 1911s, Glock, Browning, Beretta, M&P, FNS, CZ, XD/XDM and M&P pistols. Zero wear issues. I will say I have nothing with the round count the previous poster mentioned.
I do clean mine when I shoot them and sometimes between range sessions as they get pretty dirty being carried regularly.
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Oil. Grease will work fine on hot summer days, but not when it cools off.
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Oil. Grease will work fine on hot summer days, but not when it cools off.
I’ve never had an issue with grease, freezing my ass in a deer stand for hours on end. My guns are all perfectly functional and lethal with Slip 2000, well below freezing.
Maybe in the Arctic, where all gun lubricants are discouraged? Not quite an every day thing for 99% of the people.
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Meat Axe--
It kind of depends on how tight the gun is fit and how strong the ammo is. I have to use oil in the winter in both of my semi-auto .22 pistols instead of Slide Glide Lite grease to get them to cycle reliably. On my CGW built 97B"E" pistol, same thing, I have to add some light oil to the slide rails and barrel to get it to cycle reliably in the winter. With the factory 9mm CZ's and bolt guns, I can use light grease year round.
For a carry or house gun, I tend to use light grease year around if there is little chance of the gun getting cold, just because it stays put and doesn't evaporate.
But I've never tried the Slip 2000, it could very well be lighter than the Enos lite grease I've been using. I could probably use 5W-20 motor oil in everything year round and be fine also. It's only the tight guns and .22's that seem to be sensitive to viscosity changes between summer and winter. My annual temperature range is 10F to 110F.
Joe L
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On my handguns with full length frame and slide rails. I’ll apply a thin layer of Mobil 1 synthetic grease to each rail topped off with 2-3 small drops of Mobile 1 10-40 synthetic oil applied with needle oiler. The gun stays lubed for a very long time.
A small tub of the grease and a quart of the oil lasts practically forever and economical to use.
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Thanks all!
Wobbly,
I was reading the FAQ on gun break in period. That was helpful. You mentioned one drop of oil on each of the slide rails. Do you recommend a drop on the corresponding sides of each of frame rails too?
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I use Mobil 1 synthetic oil 0-40, and Mobile 1 grease mixed at a ratio of 6 to 1. Using a paint paddle with an electric drill, it mixes well enough like an emulsion to keep the qualities of both oil and grease. A quart of oil and a tube of grease will last several lifetimes.
For bigger jobs, it goes into an old-fashioned mustard-ketchup squeezable plastic bottle with a long spout on top, and for most uses a small needle bottle from Brownell's.
I use this mixture on everything from AR15s, to a Garand, to all my pistols and revolvers.
Most of the time after application I use a finger to smear it around on bolts, and a Q-Tip on slides and pistol interiors where friction takes place.
No gumminess, no cast-off - stays put until the next big cleaning using Simple Green Extreme (safe for aluminum) to clean off, then reapply.
Most gun oils and grease are high-priced marketing goods that cost more than a porterhouse steak, but do no better than this concoction.
Spend your money how you wish. But "Magic Super-Duper Gun Oil" is expensive hogwash.
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Thanks all!
Wobbly,
I was reading the FAQ on gun break in period. That was helpful. You mentioned one drop of oil on each of the slide rails. Do you recommend a drop on the corresponding sides of each of frame rails too?
Make sure you clean all the cosmoline out of your pistol before you shoot it. I generally toss field striped new pistols in a bucket of Hoppes #9 and let it soak and dissolve all that crud overnight. Of course I remove the grips and plastic parts first and keep any night sights above the surface of the solvent.
CZ’s In particular come swimming in cosmoline / packing grease from the factory.
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Wobbly,
I was reading the FAQ on gun break in period. That was helpful. You mentioned one drop of oil on each of the slide rails. Do you recommend a drop on the corresponding sides of each of frame rails too?
Not needed. Modern synthetic automotive oils "migrate" like crazy. By that I mean the oil travels to the places it's needed. Moving parts develop some heat, and the oil loves tight places with any heat.
Hold the slide in a semi-vertical position so that gravity works with you. Place one drop on each of the "female" slide rails and it will run down the natural gutter. Then, when it's offered to the receiver, the oil will be pushed to the end.
One drop in the sear cage and when you come back after 200 rounds every part will be lubricated.
All viscosity grades of any modern synthetic motor oil will work. There's nothing "magic" in 0W20 versus 10W30. Whatever your car is uses will be great in your metal CZ.
Sometimes this is referred to as "running wet" because the oil is so tenacious and its tendency to migrate will soon give the bulk of the pistol (inside and out) a glossy, wet appearance.
Hope this helps.
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Meat Axe--
It kind of depends on how tight the gun is fit and how strong the ammo is. I have to use oil in the winter in both of my semi-auto .22 pistols instead of Slide Glide Lite grease to get them to cycle reliably. On my CGW built 97B"E" pistol, same thing, I have to add some light oil to the slide rails and barrel to get it to cycle reliably in the winter. With the factory 9mm CZ's and bolt guns, I can use light grease year round.
For a carry or house gun, I tend to use light grease year around if there is little chance of the gun getting cold, just because it stays put and doesn't evaporate.
But I've never tried the Slip 2000, it could very well be lighter than the Enos lite grease I've been using. I could probably use 5W-20 motor oil in everything year round and be fine also. It's only the tight guns and .22's that seem to be sensitive to viscosity changes between summer and winter. My annual temperature range is 10F to 110F.
Joe L
Though Brian Enos is a renown gun guy, is he a chemical engineer? His gun grease is touted as being “stringy” (looks like a wax) which is totally different than Slip 2000, which is more like a thin axel grease. All I know is that it works much better than all forms of gun oil I’ve used over the decades, in all weather and conditions. And it functions well dirty, after multiple shooting sessions, which is good for me since I’m not overly anal about gun cleaning.
I’ve probably tried most gun lubes available at one time or another. Some are usable, some are hot garbage, like “Frog Lube.” I’m not afraid to try new products to find something better and I’m not looking to stake my life on something just because it’s cheap. Does motor oil “work”? Sure. Is motor oil formulated to deal with powder residue? Probably not.
But you guys do you. Hell, there are a lot of folks stuck on Ballistol 120 years on. It works, obviously. I’d it still the “best”? Probably not. Hell, Joe Biden surrendered to the Taliban who were using used motor oil and knotted shoe laces to clean their AKs.
Time marches on and so does technology. Don’t be afraid to try something new. Some are duds but others are home runs.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gear-review-slip-2000-extreme-weapon-grease/amp/
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I was taught a long time ago that if it slides use grease, if it rotates use oil and a highly regarded 1911 builder said ti use TW25b. Its a little pricey but a little goes a long way and I have had my current tube for 3-4 years. For oil I have a big bottle of Hoppes I have had for ever and everything rums smooth for me.
One thing I know for sure is if you get 2 gun guys talking about lubrication you will have 4 arguments! Lol
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Though Brian Enos is a renown gun guy, is he a chemical engineer? His gun grease is touted as being “stringy” (looks like a wax) which is totally different than Slip 2000, which is more like a thin axel grease. All I know is that it works much better than all forms of gun oil I’ve used over the decades, in all weather and conditions. And it functions well dirty, after multiple shooting sessions, which is good for me since I’m not overly anal about gun cleaning.
Ok, ok, I have some on order. Should be here tomorrow. Didn't mean to rile you up! :)
Joe L
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Though Brian Enos is a renown gun guy, is he a chemical engineer? His gun grease is touted as being “stringy” (looks like a wax) which is totally different than Slip 2000, which is more like a thin axel grease. All I know is that it works much better than all forms of gun oil I’ve used over the decades, in all weather and conditions. And it functions well dirty, after multiple shooting sessions, which is good for me since I’m not overly anal about gun cleaning.
Ok, ok, I have some on order. Should be here tomorrow. Didn't mean to rile you up! :)
Joe L
You ordered some Slip 2000 grease? Good man!
Try it out and give us your objective, unbiased opinion!
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One thing I know for sure is if you get 2 gun guys talking about lubrication you will have 4 arguments! Lol
Yeah it's just another stupid Ford,Chevy,Dodge argument or my choice of motor oil is better than yours and so on. I keep my guns clean and oiled and they do what I want them to do when I need them to do it. Others may do as they wish.
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You ordered some Slip 2000 grease? Good man!
Try it out and give us your objective, unbiased opinion!
I needed to order something since I'm nearly out of Enos Slide Glide Lite, so I'll try it. But I refuse to be objective, and I am definitely already biased, and it will be winter in New Mexico before I'll know if the Slip 2000 will function in the cold in low temperatures...unless I just stick a pistol in the freezer overnight. If the Kadet and 97 and 1911 will cycle in the cold without adding any oil, that will be great--one less interruption and frustration while trying to stay calm shooting at 200 yards in the snow.
Joe L
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Modern firearms have functioned well in every condition without the need for 'Super-Duper Miracle Slippery Substance.'
It wasn't that long ago that Frog Lube was touted as the one and only SDMSS and people paid out the wazoo for the stuff and wrote glowing praises and recommended it to others on forums like this one.
It was told that God himself used Frog Lube so it must be divine and those who wanted salvation must use it as God said so.
Yeah, so another recent commandment from above has replaced Frog Lube. ;D
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But lubricant discussions are good for forum traffic!
I've used oil from my truck's dipstick in the winter in New Mexico to free up a tight pistol before. I'm not much of a lube snob, I'm afraid. But I do like to experiment, even when it isn't necessary.
Joe L
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Another poster mentioned Ballistol. I use to use it on all my rimfire pistols, it being a lighter viscosity. One day I was shooting one of my Glock 44’s and it was used with Ballistol as usual. I was shooting a cheap Federal Value Pack of 325 rounds and I was getting 2 or more stove pipes nearly every magazine. After approximately 100 rounds I gave up and started shooting a center fire pistol.
When I got around to cleaning the G44, I decided to try the Mobil 1 10w-40 synthetic motor oil. Next time I shot the same G44, I fired the remaining 200 rounds or so without a bobble. It was slinging brass an impressive distance. I now only use Ballistol for fire control parts or where rubber, plastic, or wood is present. Also, I’ll use it occasionally for cleaning.
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When I was shooting a lot of USPSA I ran Brian Enos grease on the slide rails (with Mobil 1 oil on other parts). Then I saw some red synthetic axle grease at work and it looked pretty darn close to the Enos stuff, so I switched to it. I began to develop skin problems (dry cracking skin on my hands) as I've got older and noticed it was aggravated by mineral oils. Since then, I have switched to Lubriplate grease instead of axle grease. I buy some of those curved tip syringes and fill them up as needed. It's worked splendidly and I think it's less cold temperature sensitive than Enos or axle grease.
There was a gentlemen doing oil tests on this forum if you are curious of his findings (not taking into account of the features of a gun oil/grease (rust prevention, yada, yada).... https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99122.0 and https://www.czforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5566.msg23292#msg23292
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Wobbly nailed it. I've tried several things over the years and the last couple of years has been nothing but a few drops of Mobil 1. You can spend a fortune on lubes. Everyone has their favorite lube or homemade mixture. No gun is as violent and dirty as a car or truck motor. The only thing I grease is my M1.
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Grease.
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Wobbly nailed it. I've tried several things over the years and the last couple of years has been nothing but a few drops of Mobil 1.
Reader note... You can't actually "nail Mobil-1". It's simply a figure of speech. O0
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Grease for carry wouldn't be a bad idea. I like Lucas extreme duty gun grease. Oil for range is fine. Grease just doesn't need reapplied and stays put so I prefer that.
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You ordered some Slip 2000 grease? Good man!
Try it out and give us your objective, unbiased opinion!
I needed to order something since I'm nearly out of Enos Slide Glide Lite, so I'll try it. But I refuse to be objective, and I am definitely already biased, and it will be winter in New Mexico before I'll know if the Slip 2000 will function in the cold in low temperatures...unless I just stick a pistol in the freezer overnight. If the Kadet and 97 and 1911 will cycle in the cold without adding any oil, that will be great--one less interruption and frustration while trying to stay calm shooting at 200 yards in the snow.
Joe L
I bought too large of a tub of Slip 2000 and I've been using it on everything. It works fine, I like it. But winter cold temps will be the real test. And I haven't tried it on the Kadet yet. But, so far, so good.
Joe L
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I bought too large of a tub of Slip 2000 and I've been using it on everything. It works fine, I like it. But winter cold temps will be the real test. And I haven't tried it on the Kadet yet. But, so far, so good.
Joe L
A little goes a long way.
I’ve never had any issues with it in sub-freezing weather, teens and twenties.
According to the literature, it should be good down to -65 degrees F.
https://slip2000.com/products/ewg
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I was taught a long time ago that if it slides use grease, if it rotates use oil and a highly regarded 1911 builder said ti use TW25b. Its a little pricey but a little goes a long way and I have had my current tube for 3-4 years. For oil I have a big bottle of Hoppes I have had for ever and everything rums smooth for me.
One thing I know for sure is if you get 2 gun guys talking about lubrication you will have 4 arguments! Lol
What if it slides in a circle?
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I use just a very small amount of a moly grease from CGW. all that is needed is just enough to put a small shine on the metal. I use and reuse a q-tip to put just a very thin film on. Apparently the moly gets into the metal and that’s why you only need a very small amount. Works for me year around, but Kansas doesn’t get artic cold.
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I use a "0000" gun grease from ALG. Light but it sticks to the slide for a while.
Lucas Oil's Extreme Duty Gun oil. Use between cleanings and on rental guns. Can be purchased with a needle oil and then refilled. I carry this in my range bags and use it on all my firearms. (Lucas does sell an Extreme Duty gun grease but it too heavy for me and disappears quicker on my pistols than the ALG.) YMMV