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CZ PISTOL CLUBS => Compact CZ 75s => Topic started by: Birds Away on September 26, 2012, 07:11:39 AM
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I have read a few posts on here expounding on the virtues of the CZ 75 Semi-Compact. I am given to understand that they are rare. Well, I ran across one currently up for auction of GB. Good luck in your quest.
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If only I had the extra money.... :'(
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I have to admit that I do not understand the allure of this particular configuration. A compact is for concealment. You sacrifice barrel length and sight radius in order to be able to conceal. The part of the handgun that prints is always the grip. By retaining the full size grip but going to a shorter barrel it would seem that you are not gaining anything. If you are happy concealing with a full size grip, why would you want a shorter barrel and sight radius. I am perplexed.
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I want one simply because it is rare and unusual. It would make a wonderful addition to my CZ collection. 8)
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I apparently have the collector gene as well. Unfortunately, I do not have a collector's bank account. I would love to have a semi-compact. It would be similar to the 40B. A gun I would love to shoot but whose niche is already filled by a somewhat better model.
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If you are happy concealing with a full size grip, why would you want a shorter barrel and sight radius.
Bingo! Perhaps this explains why the Compact was made from 1993 thru 2012, while the Semi-Compact was made only in 1994.
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I have to admit that I do not understand the allure of this particular configuration. A compact is for concealment. You sacrifice barrel length and sight radius in order to be able to conceal. The part of the handgun that prints is always the grip. By retaining the full size grip but going to a shorter barrel it would seem that you are not gaining anything. If you are happy concealing with a full size grip, why would you want a shorter barrel and sight radius. I am perplexed.
youre thinking too logically. everyone wants small, big bore, and high cap with the footprint of a walther TPH.
i got one cuz they are unique and dont make them anymore. if you have the $$ and want to fill a niche, then its a start. what i like about CZ is that it looks to me as if they werent afriad to TRY something. whereas alot of mfg and companies are followers and wait for others to make the first move then, come and copy.
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In the right climate and clothing you could carry almost anything. Here in Florida it can be very uncomfortable if outside and limits what you can conceal. A good reason to own a variety of pistols.
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Hey, I'm all for collecting. If I had the money I would have at least one of each gun that CZ makes or has ever made. But I get the sense that some people prefer these as carry guns. I am not knocking anyone's personal choice, I just don't understand what quality about this setup seems preferable to them.
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OK, now hear from someone that carried a Semi-Compact daily
There are so many different methods of carry available, that I can carry a Semi-Compact with a full 26 Round Magazine or a CTS-LS Longslide and not print
The Semi-Compact gives better recoil control over a pure Compact because of the full sized Grip
Also, I like being able to put a full sized or Longslide Upper on my Frame(s) and have a nice Range Gun too
Anyone can have a "Semi-Compact" by simply putting a Compact Upper on your Full sized Lower
Here is my DTD carry; A Witness Semi-Compact in 10mm:
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/denstinettm14/10mmWitnessSemi-Compact.jpg)
Here?s the same Lower with my 10mm Longslide:
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/denstinettm14/10mmWitnessLongslide.jpg)
And my CZ75 Semi-Compact DuoTone in 9mm that I swap carrying with the Witness:
(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/denstinettm14/CZs/CZ75BSemi-CompactDouTone-2.jpg)
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Den,
Nice CZ semi compact. Did it came with upswept Beavertail?
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Den,
Nice CZ semi compact. Did it came with upswept Beavertail?
The Pistol as it sits now is a compilation of three different Pistols I put together
The Upper is from my original Semi-Compact, which was all Poycoated with a standard flat CZ75 Beavertail (which I hate)
The Lower is from a Matte Stainless, that I swapped a few Controls (from a B-SA), and a Polycoated Hammer and Trigger
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If I had the money I would have at least one of each gun that CZ makes or has ever made.
You can get a nice poster of oodles of CZ pistols for $5: http://shop.cz-usa.com/P-19705/Cz-Pistol-Poster.aspx. Trouble is, it would almost certainly stoke the urge to collect more than images.
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Den,
No offense, but sounds like you are makng BA's point.
"There are so many different methods of carry available, that I can carrya Semi-Compact with a full 26 Round Magazine or a CTS-LS Longslide and not print."
Presumably, one can find a way to carry a full-size 75 B without printing, too.
"The Semi-Compact gives better recoil control over a pure Compact because of the full sized Grip."
A 75 B gives even better recoil control because of its grip and weight.
"Also, I like being able to put a full sized or Longslide Upper on my Frame(s) and have a nice Range Gun too."
With a 75 B one has a nice range gun as is.
Now, saying that the Semi-Compact is unique and aesthetically appealling -- that's an argument that is not easy to dismiss.
"Anyone can have a "Semi-Compact" by simply putting a Compact Upper on your Full sized Lower."
Darn it, you have me thinking how a satin nickel 75 B would allow me to mix and match with my 75 C.
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Den,
No offense, but sounds like you are makng BA's point.
"There are so many different methods of carry available, that I can carrya Semi-Compact with a full 26 Round Magazine or a CTS-LS Longslide and not print."
Presumably, one can find a way to carry a full-size 75 B without printing, too.
Very true
I carry in a few different rigs
My horizontal Shoulder Rig allows me to carry a Compact length with whatever Mag I desire
If I were to go with a Vertical Rig, then Barrel Length wouldn?t matter at all with a Compact Lower
With my Deep Conceal, ?Crotch Shot? Holster, the Semi runs real well there too
I can carry just about anything in the small of my back
But on my hip, that changes everything again
"The Semi-Compact gives better recoil control over a pure Compact because of the full sized Grip."
A 75 B gives even better recoil control because of its grip and weight.
The Semi-Compact isn't that much lighter than a Full Sized, because of it's all steel and its full Hicap Mag
"Also, I like being able to put a full sized or Longslide Upper on my Frame(s) and have a nice Range Gun too."
With a 75 B one has a nice range gun as is.
True;
But with the one Lower and the two (or three) Upper, I have the choice but with only one Trigger Pull to learn
Now, saying that the Semi-Compact is unique and aesthetically appealling -- that's an argument that is not easy to dismiss.
True statement
"Anyone can have a "Semi-Compact" by simply putting a Compact Upper on your Full sized Lower."
Darn it, you have me thinking how a satin nickel 75 B would allow me to mix and match with my 75 C.
Kind of a cool idea...HUH ?
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"But with the one Lower and the two (or three) Upper, I have the choice but with only one Trigger Pull to learn."
Stop it! Four CZs in five months is all I can take (for now). Then again, satin nickel is on its way out.
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Then again, satin nickel is on its way out.
Well, then you'll have all the parts to build your own DuoTone Semi-Compact
And don't blame me if you get hooked
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"Anyone can have a "Semi-Compact" by simply putting a Compact Upper on your Full sized Lower."
Darn it, you have me thinking how a satin nickel 75 B would allow me to mix and match with my 75 C.
Don't forget that you can also fit your full size upper to the compact frame, making a Compact Longslide. This gives you the muzzle control and sight radius of a full size with the small printing of the compact.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/jameslovesjammie/gun%20stuff/CZ75B%2040/2012-09-13_22-57-17_224.jpg)
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There are some good gun salesmen that hang out here.....
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I just wish I had a RAMI and TS...then things would get interesting! ;D
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Don't forget that you can also fit your full size upper to the compact frame, making a Compact Longslide. This gives you the muzzle control and sight radius of a full size with the small printing of the compact.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/jameslovesjammie/gun%20stuff/CZ75B%2040/2012-09-13_22-57-17_224.jpg)
I think they call this a Maxi-Comp (not sure though)
I'd like to see a Compact Lower with a CTS or TS Longslide
How wild would that be ?
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I'd like to see a Compact Lower with a CTS or TS Longslide
How wild would that be ?
I'd like to see a RAMI with a Tactical Sport Longslide. Not for any purpose other than just to see one! I'm sure there would be issues with the "peanut" and getting it to fit. Probably not functional at all, but kinda crazy (like me).
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I'd like to see a RAMI with a Tactical Sport Longslide. Not for any purpose other than just to see one! I'm sure there would be issues with the "peanut" and getting it to fit. Probably not functional at all, but kinda crazy (like me).
That WOULD look crazy-cool 8)
Like a mini Javelina:
[img width-950]http://www.google.com/imgres?q=javelina,+10mm&hl=en&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7TSNJ_en&biw=1055&bih=438&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=TtV1RAsKybj4IM:&imgrefurl=http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/showthread.php%3F416506-10mm-Javelina&docid=R3M8e_4iHtSa_M&imgurl=http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7045/javelina1.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=U5JjUIXIL9DsigL0p4CQAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=413&vpy=129&dur=1627&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=151&ty=118&sig=103099085309330775932&page=1&tbnh=112&tbnw=152&start=0&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0,i:95[/img]
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HOLY CRAP :o :o :o 7" barrel :o :o :o
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7045/javelina1.jpg)
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There has been some serious thread drifting going on here, but I have to say that after seeing that Javelina...I REALLY want one!
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Does that bemouth come with a bipod?
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skipper,
With a bipod you wouldn't be able to conceal it while strolling Flori-duh's beaches in your Speedo.
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skipper,
With a bipod you wouldn't be able to conceal it while strolling Flori-duh's beaches in your Speedo.
"Is that your Javelina, or are you just glad to see me ? ! ?
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I wonder if Birds Away will come back to this post? I hope we didn't scare him off.
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Price is good. I don't think it is out of reason. Hope he gets it!
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Price is good. I don't think it is out of reason. Hope he gets it!
With three Mags and a low round count
You bet, it's a good buy
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skipper,
With a bipod you wouldn't be able to conceal it while strolling Flori-duh's beaches in your Speedo.
If you had that HOG in your speedo on a Flori-duh beach you would definetly draw a crowd!
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Tactically I still don't get it. Aesthetically I do. Beautiful guns as always. I guess I need to get over my aversion to the Witness models. I read tons of stuff on the interwebz all the time. Isn't it funny how you can read a couple of negative things about a gun and those are the ones that stick with you. Anyway, while not completely a convert I do recognize how cool it would be to be able to mix and match. I did swap slides on my 75B and compact one day at the range. They both shot fine. It was the shooter that was out of whack.
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Tactically I still don't get it.
BA:
I know a Semi-Compact isn?t for everybody, but they sure work for me
It's all about concealment, while retaining HiCap and controllability
The shorter length fits well under my arm, in my Horz Shoulder Rig and down into my Deep Cover Holster
Make sense of them or not, I do like the set-up
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Doesn't IWI offer the Jericho in full-, semi-compact-, and compact-sized frames, both steel and polymer?
Jericho 941 F
Barrel Length: 4.41 in
Overall Length: 8.15 in
Height: 5.51 in
Width: 1.38 in
Weight: 38.4 oz
Magazine Capacity: 16
Jericho 941 FS
Barrel Length: 3.78 in
Overall Length: 7.56 in
Height: 5.51 in
Width: 1.38 in
Weight: 35.6 oz
Magazine Capacity: 16
Jericho 941 FB
Barrel Length: 3.50 in
Overall Length: 7.24 in
Height: 4.41 in
Width: 1.38 in
Weight: 33.3 oz
Magazine Capacity: 13
Looks like IWI's version of a semi-compact (the FS) has a full-size frame with its unique intermediate barrel. It would be interesting to be able to line them up and handle each one. Would also be interesting to see what kind of Frankenguns Den could make by mixing and matching them.
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Tactically I still don't get it.
BA:
I know a Semi-Compact isn?t for everybody, but they sure work for me
It's all about concealment, while retaining HiCap and controllability
The shorter length fits well under my arm, in my Horz Shoulder Rig and down into my Deep Cover Holster
Make sense of them or not, I do like the set-up
I think it is very cool. I wish I had the money to buy a S/N 75B to swap slides with my compact (I am not a fan of duo tone either. I must be some kind of hater.) I can see your point about the shoulder rig. That made it through my thick head. I get it. Just keep posting pictures of your guns for me to drool over. Thanks.
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Doesn't IWI offer the Jericho in full-, semi-compact-, and compact-sized frames, both steel and polymer?
The Magnum Research Baby Desert Eagle is on my non-CZ list. I wish they made the .45 with the 4.5 in barrel. 3.9 in just isn't long enough. Therefore, if/when I get one it will have to be the .40 S&W with the 4.5 in barrel.
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The Magnum Research Baby Desert Eagle is on my non-CZ list. I wish they made the .45 with the 4.5 in barrel. 3.9 in just isn't long enough. Therefore, if/when I get one it will have to be the .40 S&W with the 4.5 in barrel.
I agree, there IS a minimum Barrel length that will keep a Pistol practical
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Bingo! Perhaps this explains why the Compact was made from 1993 thru 2012, while the Semi-Compact was made only in 1994.
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Hello,
You dates are a little off; I own a semi-compact made in 1992 (Israeli re-import) and a mint compact in gloss blue, in the box, AAI oringal import to the US, also dated 1992. I have also recently seen a new CZ USA import semi-compact.
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I picked up a Baby eagle .45 which I believe is a semi compact years ago from a friend and like it a lot. It may have been the beginning of my appreciation of things CZ before I knew about CZ. On the barrel length Everyone has their preferences but the 3.9" is about halfway between a 1911 commander and an officers model and the 10+1 capacity does not hurt either.
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Bingo! Perhaps this explains why the Compact was made from 1993 thru 2012, while the Semi-Compact was made only in 1994.
Hello,
You dates are a little off; I own a semi-compact made in 1992 (Israeli re-import) and a mint compact in gloss blue, in the box, AAI oringal import to the US, also dated 1992. I have also recently seen a new CZ USA import semi-compact.
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Well, I think you're both wrong
My Semi-Compact, with a S/N P26** was manufactured in 2004
So the Semi has been in production (but maybe not always imported) for quite some time
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I did not state that the semi-compact was only made in 1992, only that it was made at least as early as '92 and still recently being made. As you point out, the US does not get all of the CZB made variations.
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I did not state that the semi-compact was only made in 1992, only that it was made at least as early as '92 and still recently being made. As you point out, the US does not get all of the CZB made variations.
Sorry, didn?t mean to imply anything
Looks like we?re both on the same page here
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I was under the impression that the semi-compact was a special order by Jerry's sporting goods hence the name Jerry's special on the side of my box. Bought mine NIB in 2005 for $313 at a gun show. My first and favorite CZ. I like it is because it is basically a commander sized pistol which both of my 1911's are. The compact slide makes for a very soft shooting 9mm. David
Photo of my rare ones. I don't have the 40 anymore.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i260/dwhitehorne/cz/IMG_3732.jpg)
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WOW....CZ 85 COMPACT....that is a rare one. :o
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Will a CZ 75 B SA Frame accept a Compact Slide/Barrel okay to make a Semi Compact?? I know the Stainless will, just trying to find out what all CZ Frames will work okay with a Compact Slide, preferably all Steel Versions!!
I like the Beavertails and can a Beavertail be installed on a CZ 75 Compact or not???
I know CZCustom had them but they're all gone!!! I think theirs was built on a Shadow Frame??
I'm just trying to make a nice Semi Compact for Carry!!
I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on all this Please and Thank You!!!
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Will a CZ 75 B SA Frame accept a Compact Slide/Barrel okay to make a Semi Compact?? I know the Stainless will, just trying to find out what all CZ Frames will work okay with a Compact Slide, preferably all Steel Versions!!
I like the Beavertails and can a Beavertail be installed on a CZ 75 Compact or not???
I know CZCustom had them but they're all gone!!! I think theirs was built on a Shadow Frame??
I'm just trying to make a nice Semi Compact for Carry!!
I'd appreciate any and all thoughts on all this Please and Thank You!!!
Welcome to the Forum Dougee
check-out the answer to the same question here:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=76763.msg574875#msg574875
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Good to see this post is still alive.
Just acquired a CZ 75 Semi Compact Massada pistol and am looking for solutions for replacing the recoil springs from anyone who's done this.
If this question has been answered elsewhere, I've tried using the search function several times and honestly don't have the time to wade through the non-specfic messages.
Thanks in advance.
Norm
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We like pictures Norm.
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We like pictures Norm.
Google is your friend.
I'd post one/some but it's a PITA between all the various photobucket and other systems it's more of an annoyance than a useful tool.
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